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Commuting into Edinburgh from East Lothian, ex-cyclist coming back

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  • Started 8 years ago by shinsukato
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  1. shinsukato
    Member

    Hi all.

    I used to commute by cycle exclusively when I lived in the USA, but after moving to the UK five years ago I found the narrow roads and legalities too intimidating.

    Well, now I'm hoping to change that. I'm moving to Tranent in a few weeks for a job on the West End in Edinburgh. I'm hoping to cycle in to work a few times each week.

    Can anyone recommend a route with a focus on safety and low-traffic? I'd happily go a little out of my way to avoid cars.

    Can anyone also alert me to specific concerns with cycling in a rainy, windy place like Edinburgh? Maintenance / comfort in particular.

    Many thanks!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. How'd you like your hills? My initial thought would be...

    Over fa'side (easier climb from the Tranent side, the eastern slope is steeeeep), on to Whitecraigs, then join the Esk path, cut off following the Sustrans path to Queen Margaret University, following it all the way to Milton, and join the Innocent Path all the way to town (and use the link through to the Meadows).

    Grand majority off road, bizarrely probably one of the shorter routes, and on-road bits relatively quiet (don't know what the road through Whitecraigs is like during rush hour granted).

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Whitecraigs to MMW (mostly off-round)

    https://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/53927887

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    Yep, that's a feasible route. Main alternative is to ride the on-road cycle lane on the A199 to either Wallyford (thence to Whitecraigs as above) or Musselburgh, thence to Potobello and either the Prom and various shared use paths, or to Brunstane and the Innocent railway path.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    Flatter quiet option

    https://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/53929074/#quietest

    Standard advice is try route(s) on a Sunday first.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. shinsukato
    Member

    How'd you like your hills?

    I'm reasonably fit though not in good cycling shape. I wouldn't tackle anything very steep yet but not too worried about an incline.

    Could you be a little more specific on these locations? Sounds like some of them might be nicknames :)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. amir
    Member

    If the timing's good, I might be able to buddy you in one morning at least to the Meadows. I like the sound of WC's route - it uses a quiet round with great views at the start and then onto off-road paths.
    Crowriver and chdot give good alternatives that may be suitable for the return.
    In terms of equipment - mudguards useful. You probably want to avoid very heavy bikes for that distance and incline.
    I'll let someone else put some maps up :)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. paddyirish
    Member

    Contact Spokes and buy their East Lothian and Edinburgh maps. Shows all off-road and quiet routes.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    @ shinsukato

    Welcome..

    "I used to commute by cycle exclusively when I lived in the USA, but after moving to the UK five years ago I found the narrow roads and legalities too intimidating."

    You may or may not find this useful -

    http://cyclefridays.wordpress.com

    (Don't think there is a 'I have never cycled in the U.K.' page - perhaps there should be...)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. SRD
    Moderator

    @shinsukato I cycled in the UK for years after moving here from North America, but then I moved to Edinburgh and it took me 5 years to dare to get on my bike!

    It's been great since then though. Wish I had had the advice/support of this forum back when I cycled in England!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. Iratesheep
    Member

    @shinsukato

    A tip for general stuff - It'll get dark very soon, and quickly. Get some great lights for your bike before you need them.

    Get a rack + panniers - it'll hold that waterproof on the days when you remember it and don't need it.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. rbrtwtmn
    Member

    My rule of thumb for those who haven't cycled for years... It'll hurt unreasonably for the first 2 times even if you do a short ride, then hardly at all afterwards. (So commit to doing at least 3 rides despite any discomfort)

    And, try the mapping on Openstreetmap.org for basic background on options for cycling:
    http://osm.org/go/evfLKm8?layers=C
    Red and blue highlighted routes are signed 'routes' - blue dashed lines are paths recorded as cycleways of one kind or another - other dashed brown lines are just plain ordinary footpath.

    Lastly - bear in mind that with practice it becomes possible to cycle actively (and relatively safely) on some very hostile roads BUT that's not a good place to be starting out. So to begin with take a longer quieter route even if that may seem to be an impractical option in the longer term. (Don't be put off by having to go 'around the houses' to begin with).

    Oh - and if there's an option to cycle with someone you think you're happy to go with then take it up...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. shinsukato
    Member

    Thanks for the amazing response all, really glad I was pointed toward this forum. I'll be getting my bicycle through the cycle-to-work scheme at the beginning of next month, and start cycling to work as soon as I'm comfortable with the route.

    Amir, I may take you up on that route buddying offer, thank you for that.

    Wilmington's route sounds ideal when looking at it on a map, as it takes me to the meadows and work is not far from there.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. neddie
    Member

    And, try the mapping on Openstreetmap.org for basic background on options for cycling:
    http://osm.org/go/evfLKm8?layers=C
    Red and blue highlighted routes are signed 'routes' - blue dashed lines are paths recorded as cycleways of one kind or another - other dashed brown lines are just plain ordinary footpath.

    That's one of my bug bears about OSM - no key for the cycling layer. Thanks for explaining.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. algo
    Member

    @shinsukato - welcome back to cycling. You've already had some great advice from the forum but I'll add my tuppence worth. Edinburgh roads are really not very forgiving on poor quality wheels, and in winter there is usually a lot of salt about which will eat your chain and cassette. If you would like to minimise the maintenance I would consider a hub gear (possibly with belt drive) and invest in some punctureproof tyres - I think most people recommend Schwalbe Marathons or Marathon Plus if you want to be really sure. I also have a hub dynamo which is the best thing I ever bought for my bike.

    I realise these things are hard to specify on a bike bought on the bike to work scheme, but they are things to consider. Changing an inner tube in the rain in winter by the side of the road is not something I've ever much enjoyed. Also I agree with iratesheep about the rack and panniers and also decent gloves.

    Also my suggestions are pretty much all adding weight which is precisely what Amir told you not to do and he cycles in your way and knows far more than me, so I'd listen to him first.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. Having recently retired my commuter from commuting to shift to commuting on my cross bike.... (this may be teaching to suck eggs depending ont he amount of commuting in the States)

    Mudguards
    Used to hate them, came to love them, cross bike has no mounts, but Raceblade XL Pros FTW (they really are superb). If I hadn't been able to put guards on I'd not be using that bike every day.

    Rack + Panniers
    Ambivalent. Had them on the commuter, and they're more practical, but I don't particularly like how they affect the handling on the bike. Have been back to a rucksack, and while I know a lot of people hate the sweaty back aspect, I'm not too bothered by it. Going back to my post-mounted Carradice is a possibility - not as much of an impact on handling with the higher mounting.

    Hub Dynamo
    Had it on the commuter, and had constant problems with the connection to the rear light. Found myself always making sure that I had charged up backup lights, after the front light failed and had to be replaced (free, it was faulty) as well. Which defeated the purpose for me. Lights charge on USB during the day, mount in seconds on rubber straps. Horses for courses. Not missing it personally.

    Tyres
    As algo says, pretty important, and something I'm more than willing to chuck some money at. Did that recently - love Challenge tyres for cross riding, so got a pair of their gravel tyres for commuting (basically slick tyres, lovely tan sidewall) which do cost, but grip like a very grippy thing in all conditions, and I know from experience can run at slightly lower pressures (hell, I think I'm down at 60psi, which on a 33mm tyre is pretty low) which smoothes out, slightly, the poor road surfaces. But on actual make of tyre everyone's experience seems to differ (I had nothing but punctures using Gatorskins, whereas I know people who swear by them) so they can be a little more hit and miss.

    Route
    The great thing about coming in from so far is the ability to completely vary a commute, without much difference to the overall distance. I travel from Duddingston in the east all the way over to Edinburgh Park in the west, and never do the exact same route two days in a row. And I can guarantee that as you get fitter you'll find yourself wanting to take the steep climb west to east up Fa'side ;)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. chrisfl
    Member

    @edd1e_h The cyclemap layer does have a key http://www.opencyclemap.org/docs/ But it's not available directly from the OpenSteetMap website, because of reasons.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    "because of reasons"

    Of course...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. wsf01
    Member

    Hi there,

    I cycle in from Tranent once or twice a week and the comfort of the cycle really depends on a few factors.

    1. Route

    Although I live at the south side of Tranent, I tend just to cycle down the A199 to Musselburgh on the main road, then up Milton Road to 'The Range' shop before joining the cycle path (Route 1). I work at Kings' Buildings so I come off before the Innocent Tunnel/Meadows but generally that will be your best/quickest route into central Edinburgh.

    In terms of distance and time; it's 10.5miles to KB and that takes me around 40-45mins so you can probably add another 2miles to that if you're going to the West End. Bearing in mind though I use a hybrid bike and am I'm not the fittest! ;)

    The elevation of this route is very fair. Downhill to Musselburgh then a short climb up Milton Road. When you join Route 1, that's a very gentle incline to the Innocent tunnel which takes you up to the centre of town. Obviously you have the opposite on the way back. The climb home from Musselburgh to Tranent isn't easy for the newbie but neither is it too tough and the extra effort keeps us healthy.

    2. Time

    I leave around 6.30-6.45am and the traffic on the road is very light at this time so I have minimal worry in that sense. It is a bit heavier by the time I reach Edinburgh but my on-road route has cycle lanes so I feel as safe as I can be.

    On the way home, I leave work around 3-3.30pm and again the traffic is pretty reasonable by and large.

    3. Date/Weather

    I've put these together as they're related factors.

    I'd consider myself more of a fair weather cyclist (and only started cycling to work this year) so try to avoid wet/windy days and the winter due to lack of light. From April to September the weather is fairly good and the light fine. Outwith that you're talking dark mornings and, depending when you leave after work, dark evenings too. Just now is fine but I'm going to have to think about buying lights for my bike if I want to keep cycling in as it will be dark at 6.30am soon enough.

    4. Kit

    I tend to just wear baggy Endura shorts (with liner) and a base-layer with top. The mornings can be chilly though so a soft-shell is a good idea - especially for the unpredictable weather where the wind and rain can appear at any time.

    I have a Deuter Bike 20 rucksack which is ideal for me as it has enough room to fit a change of clothes, my lunch and a laptop. That adds a few kilos but the pack sits up high on my back and it's a quality bit of kit. I genuinely don't notice it's there usually. Well worth £50-60!

    5. Other routes

    As well as the quickest one above, like others have said there are a few alternatives and you can almost avoid roads altogether if you really prefer it.

    Out of Tranent to the South or West can be interesting to join Route 196 and then onto Route 1 at the West of Whitecraig. You can join R196 at various places on the Ormiston Railway Walk (can be wet and muddy on some sections) or at Crossgateshall but that means cycling on a tight road on the approach to a bizarre bridges intersection.

    From Whitecraig, Route 1 brings you up past the Monktonhall golf course, Heriot Watt Uni and Newcraighall village before joinging the cycle path at 'The Range' as per my normal route. This whole route is mainly off road but will add up to 5miles to your journey.

    I actually like to come home via that route on a Friday and if you do R1, R196 and the Railway Walk to Ormiston before cycling back up the hill to Tranent it's around 15miles in total for me with a few more wee climbs.

    You can also cycle down the coast and back. Last week, I finished work early one day and cycled Route 76 right out to Longniddry Railway Walk and up to Haddington and back by the A199. That was closer to 25miles which is plenty enough for me!

    All in all, Tranent is a great wee place to cycle from - commute or not. It's only a few miles to the coast road or you can go South into the hills. Gifford, Gullane and North Berwick are great places to cycle to and these can be reached via very quiet roads. You can easily add/remove miles via small changes and Tranent is the ideal base.

    Have fun and feel free to ask any questions.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Welcome wsf

    Very useful first post.

    So now 'we' know there are going to be 2 cycle commuters in Tranent!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. minus six
    Member

    Iratesheep wrote

    It'll get dark very soon, and quickly

    LOL

    out, out brief candle

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. wsf01
    Member

    Aye but there's always tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    @bax, I am with irate sheep as I recently bought a tweed suit and it is far too hot to wear it so soon it will get very cold and I can wear the suit instead of this bloody hottest day of the year malarkey

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. Nelly
    Member

    "I recently bought a tweed suit...."

    I was being fitted for a kilt for an upcoming wedding and tried a tweed jacket / waistcoat combo - ye gods that stuff is made for the days pre-central heating and mid winter, eh?

    Is it true that it has a degree of waterproofness also??

    p.s. Too hot for a wedding

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    I think the lanolin might offer a degree of waterproofing? Mallory went to top of Everest in tweed jacket and plus fours.

    You do smell of wet sheep. Which is not too bad. In the Harris tweed warehouse in tarbet with its three storeys of shelves with bolts of tweed you get a bit high on the smell of damp tweed. Some quite trippy colours too. You just go down to the wee tweed shop and they let you in. To warehouse There is a big walk up ladder on wheels that allows you up to top shelves. Ok not for everybody but if you like tweed then worth a visit if you are in Harris. Where, let's face it you are not swamped with choices if it is raining

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. wee folding bike
    Member

    Mallory might not be the best role model there.

    shinsukato,

    What legalities?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. gembo
    Member

    @weefoldingbike

    Met a couple we know up at EBC today. Both bought bromptons. One had brooks saddle which was disagreeing with the woman so she was buying a gel saddle in the sale.

    Also spotted on here that In The Factory last Thursday was inside the Brompton factory down the Thames from Kingston.

    Available on iplayer if you missed it?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. sallyhinch
    Member

    My Harris tweed cap has proved entirely waterproof, even when everything else has failed. It also floats, as I discovered, when it was blown off in the wind and upside down into a puddle. Tweed trousers might be the answer to winter cycling but I imagine you'd go through the seat quite quickly, which could prove expensive

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. wee folding bike
    Member

    I knew about the factory show but I've not seen it yet, been busy with back to school things and the management clearing stuff out of the garage to turn it into a music room. Finding a place for some bikes is an issue.

    Apparently there are people who don't like a Brooks.

    Was in Edinburgh last night to see Alan Cumming. First festival thing I've seen since '93.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. gembo
    Member

    What was victor and Barry like.? He started out doing similar late night cabaret in the 1980s

    Posted 8 years ago #

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