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T&E committee on Roseburn

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  • Started 6 months ago by chdot
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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Obviously needs it's own thread.

    Now need the info on what time the delegations are - and that council 'live TV' url.

    (Please.)

    Posted 6 months ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    I believe this is the link to the stream:
    http://edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/212506

    Agenda is on the right of that page, too, but no timings.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  3. Big_Smoke
    Member

    Should be fun, have commitments tomorrow but can check later.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  4. Stickman
    Member

    Allan Jackson is stepping down. Maybe he can go out with a bang?

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/tory-stalwart-to-join-exodus-from-edinburgh-council-1-4215826

    Posted 6 months ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    Rumour has it that the Capital Coalition (Lab + SNP) are cobbling together a new motion.

    This would account for Adam McVey's opaque smugness yesterday about today's meeting 'keeping everyone happy' (various phrase to that unlikely effect).

    So a motion that will be passed backing the LW2R route - OBVIOUSLY A GOOD THING (will the Tories say the whole thing is a waste of money?).

    In addition some sort of group of 'all interested parties' just to work out 'what is best for Roseburn'.

    (Think Active Travel committee meets MurrayfieldCC with CEC officials tearing their hair out.)

    To some this might look like 'neat politics', to others - especially those living on other parts of the route and the rest of Leith Walk (or anywhere else that has had some sort of controversy) it will, at best, look like special treatment.

    So, the lesson for the future is kick up a fuss, fill it with half truths and downright lies and get a possible future Leader of CEC to help (inadvertently or otherwise) and everything will be fine.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    In short Option A (which Sustrans consider essential for it to be awarded CL+ money) is on hold, Option B (which was never consulted on) survives for now and Option Fudge has appeared from nowhere.

    Roll on the next election where (almost) everyone backs ActiveTravel - but perhaps not in 'sensitive' bits of some wards.

    Progress? Probably.

    Effective political leadership? Not really.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  7. steveo
    Member

    I give up on this city I really do.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  8. The Boy
    Member

    I give up, I really do.

    Edit: the city appears to be determined to remain a provincial backwater. Amusing when you think you had polticios trying to sell the place as a potential European banking capital a few months ago.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  9. If that's what happens then yes, it demonstrates that you can shout and scream and outright lie to usurp a process that has been followed correctly; and that those in charge who followed the process are utterly gutless.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  10. cc
    Member

    If it's not at least option A then Labour and the SNP will be joining the Tories in the "I'll never vote for them again" bin.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  11. DdF
    Member

    It is worth noting the politics of this.

    If the Committee had a straight vote on option A v B, then it looks like B would have won, assuming...
    For A - Lab + Green (7 votes)
    For B - SNP + Con + Lib Dem (8 votes)

    Therefore coming up with a fudge solution, which the SNP will agree to, is better than going to a straight A v. B vote. On this analysis, the decision to go for the fudge is not weakness by the convener, but understanding the political reality. Basically it means that the fight continues rather than the probability of it being lost today.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  12. bax
    Member

    I give up on this city I really do.

    When you consider that SNP erased a manifesto pledge to re-regulate bus travel, and less than a month thereafter commenced accepting ongoing million pound donations from Brian Souter, with Stagecoach subsequently slashing service provision on all non-profit routes after assuming an overall monopoly... well you might as well give up on the country also.

    but i digress.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "This meeting will start today"

    http://edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/212506

    Posted 6 months ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    "Basically it means that the fight continues"

    Which is part of the problem.

    It's disappointing to think that the LIbDem would vote B, this presumably means we'll never know.

    So on it goes with 'campaigners' carrying on (if they still feel like it) using their own time and energy and officials waste time and money reconsidering everything - again.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    The band's on stage.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  16. Dave
    Member

    I'd prefer it if they decided just to start the scheme where NEPN crosses the A8 east of Roseburn and did nothing at Roseburn at all for the time being.

    Better nothing than waste time money and set a bad precedent with the terrible option B.

    They could then do a second phase looking at a cycleway from the A8 much further west (Gogar?) all the way in through Roseburn some other time.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    "On this analysis, the decision to go for the fudge is not weakness by the convener, but understanding the political reality. Basically it means that the fight continues rather than the probability of it being lost today."

    I'm sure that's true. However I'm not at all optimistic that the next administration will deliver anything decent.

    "it demonstrates that you can shout and scream and outright lie to usurp a process that has been followed correctly"

    It's the PG classic campaigning tactics. See also campaign for Brexit...

    Posted 6 months ago #
  18. Stickman
    Member

    Gettin Alistair Grant of the EEN on a bike yesterday paid off. He's written an opinion piece saying if the council is serious it has to go for Option A:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/alistairkgrant/status/770549611572367360

    Posted 6 months ago #
  19. Stickman
    Member

    Our team is up now!

    Posted 6 months ago #
  20. Klaxon
    Member

    SPOKES introduced together with Hankchief, SPOKES planning chap introduces him and (Rosie?) as colleagues. Bit of a blooper

    Posted 6 months ago #
  21. Klaxon
    Member

    Nice speech from Richard from SPOKES summarising the key points

    Posted 6 months ago #
  22. Klaxon
    Member

    Rosie spoke from the heart as a resident of Roseburn. Hankchief up, seems to be talking health to begin with.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  23. Dave
    Member

    Thought Rosie positioned herself very well indeed.

    Hankchief doing nicely. If the decision was made on cost/benefit we'd be well in the clear.

    I massively applaud these guys for putting in the effort to combat NIMBY hysteria.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  24. Stickman
    Member

    HankChief answered Balfour's first question brilliantly.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  25. Klaxon
    Member

    That a council procurement decision is being decided with cost-benefit not even stated in the report is quite surprising to me.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  26. Stickman
    Member

    Balfour: All the loading bays used by disabled and the elderly. Do they all drive white vans?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  27. Dave
    Member

    Cllr Balfour actually coming out to say that illegal parking is sacrosanct. "Have you been to the street during the day and seen people [parking illegally] and using the shops"?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  28. Dave
    Member

    Not sure about Lesley holding up Leith Walk provision. The bottom of Leith Walk is not segregated and covered in dodgy parking.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  29. algo
    Member

    so Robert Aldridge is there - despite no response from him, but a very leading question about people wanting to use the bus

    Posted 6 months ago #
  30. Stickman
    Member

    Cllr Aldridge asking about impact on traffic. Has he not bothered to read the modelling report or even the summary in the committee paper?

    Posted 6 months ago #

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