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"Holiday Flats Edinburgh's Ruin"

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  1. crowriver
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    CEC will have to do a lot more than just plead with AirBnB owners. A quick check reveals hundreds of Edinburgh flats available on AirBnB right now. I only checked those available before it become legal on 15th July (which is ridiculous, but a separate matter).

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. sallyhinch
    Member

    Not to defend AirBnB more widely but self catering accommodation opened up this Friday in Scotland if it's self contained. It's hotels that open on the 15th

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. crowriver
    Member

    These are flats though. Not self-contained, they have shared entrances on common stairs in tenements. Currently illegal...

    Methinks owners are interpreting "self-contained" to suit themselves, i.e. rent whole flat out is "self-contained". Doesn't help that Scot Gov only issued clarification regarding tenements belatedly.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. Rosie
    Member

    Lisbon buying up airbnb properties to turn into flats for key workers.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-lisbon-portugal-airbnb-homes-key-workers-a9601246.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR14SlEiVXWsQpy8TkDFDu2Atc310O9lqTxRn_SYo6jzZA7LmoY2eeAG6Hc#Echobox=1593888236

    "Key workers" of course don't necessarily work in the city centre - in Edinburgh I wonder how many do as compared to the hospitals, transport depots, schools.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    Lisbon after the 1974 revolution had rent controlled flats. The landlords declined to make any repairs in attempt to remove tenants so they could hike up the rents. So certainly from 1974 to 1990 maybe (I do hope to be corrected) RENTS were low and real people could live in the city centre.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. sallyhinch
    Member

    @crowriver - ah right, hadn't realised that

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. jdanielp
    Member

    There have been key workers living in the student/summer AirBnB flat above me since early April after the students left prior to lockdown. I'm actually looking forward to it switching to AirBnB in August since the key workers do shifts and often wake me as they come and in the small hours...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. fimm
    Member

    I understood that the accommodation that is allowed to be open now was not allowed to have "shared facilities" which I thought meant bathrooms and kitchens and such? I would not have included a common entrance hall in that.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    @gembo, Scotland had rent controls too until well into the 1980s. The last of these swept away in 1988. I remember it well, being a tenant at the time...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. acsimpson
    Member

    @fimm, I'm not sure where I saw the clarification but it came from high up. Doors, stairs and hallways are all shared facilities.

    Otherwise Travelodge would be opening up already.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. fimm
    Member

    @acsimpson thank you for that. A source would be interesting if anyone has one.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. Frenchy
    Member

  13. fimm
    Member

    Thank you.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. acsimpson
    Member

    Thanks @Frenchy.

    I am fairly sure I read it in Andy Wightman's twitter feed but didn't want to put a name to it before checking.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. chdot
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  17. crowriver
    Member

    Rogue Airbnb operators could be fined up to £50,000 as part of a new regulation regime

    The Scottish Government have published detailed proposals for their planned licencing regime for short-term lets.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/rogue-airbnb-operators-could-be-fined-ps50000-part-new-regulation-regime-2970656

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    Consultation link:
    https://consult.gov.scot/housing-services-policy-unit/short-term-lets-licensing-scheme/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. chdot
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  20. Frenchy
    Member

    the number of properties [in Edinburgh city centre] is said to have risen by 109 per cent.

    Huh. If I'd known that the new St James Centre actually had 10k flats in it, I'd've been supportive.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. acsimpson
    Member

    Reading the article it's only a 109% increase is empty properties being marketed. There's no indication of actual numbers of properties currently being let in the city centre.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. chdot
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    THE SNP has withdrawn its plans to regulate Airbnb-style short-term lets and will instead resubmit the plans alongside guidance after May’s election.

    Tourism and hospitality leaders had asked for the plans to be halted amid the Covid-19 crisis – while the Scottish Conservatives also called on ministers to scrap the plans.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19100450.snp-withdraws-airbnb-style-short-term-let-regulation-plans/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    The last surviving Canongatonians are going to do their dinger when the Airbnbs return to the peaceful royal mile

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    Some small glimmer of hope here...

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    The Government will continue with legislation allowing councils to establish short-term let control areas. This legislation will allow local authorities to implement short-term let control areas to address pressures created by whole property short-term lets, ensuring that homes are used to best effect in their areas.

    Ministers will be able to veto any use of the power by councils.

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    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. crowriver
    Member

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    The proposed regulations would allow planning authorities to designate all or part(s) of their area as a control area.

    Within such a designated area, the use of a dwelling house for secondary letting will always be deemed to involve a material change of use and requires planning permission.

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    https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/13047/next-steps-for-controlling-short-term-lets-in-the-capital

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. Rosie
    Member

    I object to the Planning Regulation because it requires Scottish Ministers to approve Short Term Let Control Areas before they can be designated. It’s a power of veto over a matter that should be wholly and exclusively within the competence of local authorities. In the Scottish Government’s consultation on this question, it was claimed that this is similar to the process of designating Conservation Areas. Section 61 of the Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) (Scotland) Act 1997, however, only requires Councils to notify Ministers and when I challenged the Minister on this at Committee, he was forced to write to the Committee and apologise for the error.

    I object to the licensing regulation because bed and breakfast businesses are within its scope despite it never having been intended that they would be. The Scottish Government denies this and says that they have always been included, pointing to a rather ambiguous sentence in the 2020 consultation paper.

    https://andywightman.scot/short-term-lets-regulations-an-imperfect-solution

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. Murun Buchstansangur
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  28. gembo
    Member

    Hotel central on that street.

    Moxy. Funny name, not appealing to me.

    A pox and a curse on the people round here
    Wouldn’t give you the price of a half pint of beer

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    The kind of folk that would stay in that hotel probably don't even know what pox means, and care even less. A beer themed hotel. What is this, Prague?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    It’s a Marriott brand -

    At Moxy Hotels, we don’t take ourselves too seriously. But we’re seriously into showing you a good time with small but smart rooms, stylish communal spaces and bars you’ll love.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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