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Brighter rear lights for non-streetlit roads

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  1. fimm
    Member

    A portion of my "long commute" takes me along the A70 away from the areas with street lighting. I have a good front light to see where I am going but would like some thoughts on rear lights.
    Last winter I ran two identical Smart or Cateye or some brand like that lights. I'm sure that was OK but I did wonder if they were quite powerful enough to provide evidence of my presence from further away. So I'm thinking of getting something a bit brighter.

    I'd like something that isn't too expensive, and isn't going to blind the residents of Carnwarth (or annoy the following drivers or drivers in the built up areas) on my way home...

    Any suggestions?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    "or annoy the following drivers"

    Difficult to guarantee!

    I think a decently bright flashing light is important to say 'cyclist ahead' rather than 'acceptably bright' bright.

    Plus one or more extras on body/bag/helmet.

    Obviously your bike will have reflectors on pedals and rear (mudguard?)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. SimonS
    Member

    How about the Exposure Flare R. Good for a mile+ range on the brightest of the three settings by day and the same on the lowest by night .

    On the night mode it will give 12hrs on constant or 24 on flash.

    The flash is not the normal on/off but a constant with a flash over it so there is never any time when you dont have some light showing.

    It's really light and USB rechargeable.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. dougal
    Member

    I'm personally against staring into obnoxious lights, either from the front or back of the owner. You don't want to encourage ill-considered overtakes by having lights that can't be comfortably followed.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. rbrtwtmn
    Member

    You probably already appreciate this - but it always surprises me how many people who haven't heard the following two things - so I offer them up anyway:
    - it's difficult to judge speed of approach toward (or distance to) a flashing light
    - it's easier to judge speed of approach to something which gets bigger as you approach, such as a pair of lights with a gap between.

    Not what you asked exactly - but worth considering, particularly for the kind of environment you describe. I tend to favour at least one steady light, and one flashing, with a distance between (often one on helmet).

    I'm always on the lookout for lights with an inherent size too - so you can tell as you get closer to the one light. Saw one a couple of days ago which I think had a length of about 15cm. Presumably a COB type LED - which I think are particularly good because they are bright from a very wide angle.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. ih
    Member

    I'm personally against staring into obnoxious lights

    Police in Shenzhen come up with novel punishment for failing to dip lights.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-37847056

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Klaxon
    Member

    I'm not a fan of the LED space race

    LED traffic lights are the worst. Some models are FAR too bright and glarey

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. Ed1
    Member

    I often cycle on completely dark roads living on long dalmahoy road. Its on completely dark that may annoy more, when switch my rear light on in town it does not look so bright but in complete darkness much more so. The aldi cobb light is brilliant but not reliable like a cateye. I have departed from livi with cobb light on with no low bat warning to get to kirknrewton and its gone out. I have never had my cat eye cut out before. For 12 quid alids cobb light is great so bright but not reliable fine as long as run a back up.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. Roibeard
    Member

    I'll make a quick plug for the Busch & Muller Toplight line plus (or other B&M similar lights).

    They are designed to have a long profile that changes as you approach - the idea being that it's easier to judge distance and speed of approach when it's not a point source.

    As above, I think flashing lights say "cyclist" but don't provide velocity (direction and speed of movement) information. Although increasingly I see flashing lights on animals and people, so perhaps they no longer are as unequivocal as in the past!

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. fimm
    Member

    Thank you for all the comments.

    I've been doing this run in the dark for some years. Previously I had something that I felt was bright enough, but last year I just had the pair of cateyes or whatever they are and I felt that although I'm sure I was visible enough, I'd like to get something a little brighter (but not offensively so).

    The set up will be three lights, at least one on flash and at least one not flashing.

    I have a rear reflector on my rack.
    I run clipless on the bike in question, so no pedal reflectors, but I do use reflective ankle straps in order to conform to the spirit, if not the letter, of the law. (Mind you, you can't see the offside foot from behind because of the pannier...)

    I did go looking for the Aldi light but was too late. I'll investigate Roibeard and SimonS's suggestions.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. Frenchy
    Member

    I did go looking for the Aldi light but was too late.

    Available on eBay: Link.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "although I'm sure I was visible enough, I'd like to get something a little brighter"

    And/or have a think about (more?) reflective bits on body and bike.

    Do you have any concerns about vehicles coming from side roads?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. Roibeard
    Member

    One other wee idea (ninja'd by chdot) - an Australian study a few years back suggested that a few moving points were enough to say "human", so reflectives placed at the wrist in addition to the arm were ideal - you can also get a Respro helmet band of the same material to complete the ensemble.

    Report highlights from Bike Portland

    In country conditions, these could well be as effective as lights, although in the city there may be too many light sources to get the best out of them.

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. amir
    Member

    Extra bright rear lights are more appropriate for dull days than night conditions. I quite liked the Niterider Solas - as well as bright options there is a sensible and very long-lasting session for riding with others. However the mount is poor and my light is falling to bits now. I have recently bought a Lezyne Strip Drive - this seems well built.

    Important factors are:
    1) light visibility (incl side)
    1a)what light settings are there? Should have a constant in my view
    2) rechargeable or not
    3) battery life
    4) quality of fitting and to what part of the bike will it fit
    5) waterproofness and robustness

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. fimm
    Member

    ... Respro helmet band ...
    Oh, I've got one of those (I'd forgotten, although it is already on the helmet for the winter). I'm never sure how visible the head or arms are from behind when I'm on a road bike.

    There's only two very quiet side roads on the section I'm talking about. I have a good bright front light so think I'm visible enough from the front...

    Oh, and battery not dynamo.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. wingpig
    Member

    Cliplessness is no barrier to rearward reflectivity about the feet:

    I have loads of reflective tape in yellow, red and white if anyone wants a few bits.

    Whilst my rear B&M dynamo-fuelled rear lights are very bright, they're quite low down on the end of the mudguard, so I have a Smart Lunar R1 on flicker mode on my undersaddle bag (or the light-clip on my bagflap if there's something on the rear rack, or on the back of the childseat if the thing on the rear rack is a childseat rather than just some shoping). Both mudguard and saddlebag wobble, hopefully increasing noticeability. One day I'll find a working bulb for my Duracell lockable rear light and compare modern lights to what I used to trust myself to on unlit swervey country roads.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. geordiefatbloke
    Member

    I'm waiting on a delivery of one of these:

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/embrooke/the-blaze-burner-the-best-back-light-for-bikes

    Whilst much delayed, if it delivers what is promised I think it looks a decent rear light.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. Roibeard
    Member

    Try the non-dynamo version TOPLIGHT line

    B&M have a variety of lights with "linetec".

    I don't read German, but apparently Google does.

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. neddie
    Member

    The reflective vests/jackets with the 2 thick bands over the shoulders and the 1 thick band round the waist look amazing behind a set of headlights. Impossible to miss (assuming you are looking!)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. PS
    Member

    LED traffic lights are the worst. Some models are FAR too bright and glarey

    I'm a big fan of LED traffic lights. For a slightly colour blind punter like me they're way easier to differentiate from other streetlights etc than older and dimmer traffic lights.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    "One day I'll find a working bulb for my Duracell lockable rear light and compare modern lights to what I used to trust myself to on unlit swervey country roads."

    Quite remarkably what 'we' used to accept as adequate.

    The 1st gen rear LEDs were quite an eyeopener!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. Ed1
    Member

    What is a good front light for unlit country roads. I currently have cat-eye volt 300 which is bright enough to get home with but have to go slow down hills or on unknown roads with pot holes

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. rbrtwtmn
    Member

    Speaking of all this - I've always meant to work out how long it took the Highway Code to catch up with red flashing back lights. Anyone know. Younger folks might not realise but these were illegal for a long time I think... in that if I remember right the Highway Code specifically banned the use of a flashing light. When (practically) did red flashing lights become easily bought - and when did the HC change (as everyone had decided to ignore this rule)? Have always thought this is a good example of something changing and the law having to catch up.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. Ed1
    Member

    I am not young but only started cycling a couple of years back and wondered how were front lights bright enough to cycle on unlit roads before LED lights, if the lights were blubs and did not flash must have ate batteries?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    @rbrtwtmn in the early days of this forum I recollect perhaps erroneously that the flashing non flashing discussion used to cite the Highway Code. If true the change to the Highway Code (confess I was not aware of the change) must have been recently.

    I have a Cateye VoLT 300(I think, the digit has rubbed off but not their higher end) plenty bright enough for WoL path in darkness, though the unlit dog walkers do loom and if someone with a cateye volt 800 comes up behind the whole area becomes floodlit which I am guessing must dazzle the dog walkers and dogs. I have spare strip light from recent Aldi. On back I have cherry bomb style on helmet then various other wee lights on seat post. One constant the others blinking. I set the cateye VoLTE _00 to the mode which is constant with a blink on top which I like. This light has about 11 different settings which is bizarrely large number but hey something for everyone and you find your favourite and then it remembers it and you just switch the light on or off. At the moment I can also rotate using bit of force the entire light plus fitting to dip it or put it on full beam as necessary however I broke the first generation of bright cateye USB front lights by doing that so not advisable, there is probably a way to work through all the settings to do this but faff with gloves on.

    I was in the lighting dept of John Lewis yesterday. Still open but only way in or out appears to be the very bottom door down towards Picardy place. (Lot of cars parked on the pedestrian zone where you can buy quality churros from a stall, cathedral open for business and the oldies don't like to walk in the cold, similarly guy in Range Rover running his engine outside the galleries in the pedestrian area, to keep himself warm)… returns to the lighting dept. I purchased a 300 lumen led bedside lamp with intergated bulbs from them and was told it would last twenty years. It last d about a year. I took it back without receipt and due to product recall was given my money back, they tried to give me less as the light had been reduced after I bought it but I negotiated them up to what I paid for it. The replacement is basically a B+M Dynamo front light on a stick. With rope instead of flex?? 330 lumens and adjustable so light can be directed. Not a thing of beauty but functional and five year guarantee. The point if anyone is still awake - the lighting sales dude who knows a lot about lighting, was bemoaning that the light that broke has not been replaced as none of his other lights did what it did all at the same time a. Looked good b. Spot light. C. Cast light all around the room.

    Subsidiary point, we are happy now to spend fair bit of money on bike lights where the bulb cannot be replaced (see wingpig's reference to Duracell light he has kept in case he ever finds a bulb for it) but the customers of John Lewis are very wary of doing the same in their lamps. Integrated led without replacement bulbs not yet big seller (product recall not helping) but they are way brighter than Eco-bulbs and the 300 lumens is instant, no warm up, same as led spotlights.

    Further point - how will John Lewis customers cope with just the one door? My resident expert John Lewis watcher feels people will not make the long trek down to the one door. The shop seemed as busy as ever in the run up to Xmas. I did not establish whether the click and collect option I favour is still available. The collection building behind the cathedral being original to the area prior to building of st James centre. But roads looked a bit locked up due to the demolition.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    "I've always meant to work out how long it took the Highway Code to catch up with red flashing back lights. Anyone know."

    Some years, but it needed a proper law change not just an amendment to the HC.

    I wonder if anyone was ever prosecuted, the police realised that they were a 'good thing'.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. gembo
    Member

    @ed1. My pifco front light cast a very dull glow. You bolted a metal bracket onto the front fork quite low down, this stuck out a bit and used to catch me on the shin. The lamp (it was massive to accommodate the huge battery) slid on and off the bracket . The battery was a huge ever ready with paper covering. Best to take the battery out of the light when not in use as the battery tended to leak acid and destroy the light. This was quite possibly forty years ago, so some progress.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    "wondered how were front lights bright enough to cycle on unlit roads before LED lights"

    One simple answer is that they weren't. People who cycled at night for 'utility' tended to be quite slow and used familiar roads. 'Keen' cyclists were likely to use dynamo lights, which were brighter than the simple battery lights - and obviously didn't need batteries.

    It's also the case that car lights were much less bright than now, which I think has an effect on what riders and pedestrians can see easily.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Last week on MMW I was following a cyclist who had a Lezyne Femto Drive rear light. It was set to the half-second flash mode, and when it was on, I was fairly well blinded and couldn't see anything else, like pedestrians.

    wondered how were front lights bright enough to cycle on unlit roads before LED lights, if the lights were blubs and did not flash must have ate batteries?

    They did eat batteries, and most lights weren't very bright.

    If you had money, you bought the 5W/10W Vistalites with the MR11 dichroic reflectors, and you had a big lead acid battery, on a curly wire, and you had perhaps an hour's run time. Later ones had Ni-Cd battery packs, which were lighter but gave you no more run time until 4400mAh cells arrived.

    If you had less money, you bought a 1.5W/6V halogen light and you owned a stack of AA rechargeable cells. This was also super power illumination because anything was better than the Ever Ready lamps that ran on D cells (which were good for being seen and almost useless for proper dark riding - even the posh red one with a Xenon bulb). You had a few hours of run time, and you carried spare cells for when it ran out on your way home.

    If you were inventive, you took your 1.5W halogen light, put a 3V bulb in it and overvolted it to 7.2V with an external Ni-Cd battery pack. That way you had huge brightness and good run time, at the expense of bulb life.

    When white LEDs arrived there was no contest for the being-seen lights.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. Min
    Member

    Ed1- they weren't bright enough. You couldn't see a thing except that the side bits cast a shred of light on anything at the side of the road that might look as if someone was permanently jumping out at you. They didn't eat batteries as much as you'd think-not bright enough.

    Edit- slow typing, chdot and Arellcat got in before me.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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