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Revising Cycling By Design

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  • Started 8 years ago by sallyhinch
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  1. jonty
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    Closing it is obviously the best solution, but in lieu of that, there's probably enough space to narrow the road and create a bit more of a right-angled junction. You could also then consider signalising it, with separate lights for the bike lane & pedestrian lights too (sorely needed.)

    Another alternative would be closing the ramp but making the exit road two-way with a signalised junction to get the traffic across to the right side of the WAR. I wonder how structurally sound the ramp is by now anyway? Pretty sure that road was done very much on the cheap.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  2. Frenchy
    Member

    Close it!

    Of course, but I also wonder what the best options are more generally - there are plenty other junctions like that, and they can'twon't all be closed. Another example, which isn't as bad as Dundee St.

    Creating more of an angle is obviously good, but is there anything which can be done with cycling-specific infrastructure, which should be going in Cycling by Design? Would it be better here for cyclists to come off the road and cross the WAR with pedestrians, for example? If closing the road ain't happening, is it better to have a bike lane or no bike lane?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

    "Would it be better here for cyclists to come off the road and cross the WAR with pedestrians"

    Only if there were lights.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  4. sallyhinch
    Member

    By the way there is a survey here as part of the scoping study for the Cycling by Design review

    https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/CbD2017

    - it's open to everyone to complete, you don't have to be representing any organisation

    Posted 8 years ago #

  5. Frenchy
    Member

    Thanks for posting the link - do you know roughly how long the survey takes? Don't want to lose everything 3/4 of the way through because I have to do something else.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  6. sallyhinch
    Member

    It's really short and to the point! Plus a chance to provide your contact details for future involvement

    Posted 8 years ago #

  7. sallyhinch
    Member

    Some cracking examples here http://dashedlines.uk/cycling/conflict-by-design/

    Posted 8 years ago #

  8. neddie
    Member

    I'd like to see a clause similar to:

    "A cycle lane must not 'give up' when things get difficult (to design) e.g. at junctions, narrow parts of the road, etc."

    Posted 8 years ago #

  9. McD
    Member

    nedd1e_h Like!
    Is this the right thread for these design Factsheets that Edinburgh has produced - not come across them before, although Phil Noble has mentioned a few times that that they were working on.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  10. Frenchy
    Member

    "the update of Cycling by Design was put on hold following the formation of an Active Travel Task Force."

    In case anyone was wondering.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  11. Morningsider
    Member

    Frenchy - everything wrong with the UK approach to active travel in a nut shell. "Why do something when we can produce another report".

    Posted 6 years ago #

  12. Frenchy
    Member

    The Task Force will be meeting with Transport Scotland "soon" to discuss next steps. I assume (but probably should know better by now), that one of those steps will be "Crack on with updating Cycling by Design".

    We'll see...

    Posted 6 years ago #

  13. acsimpson
    Member

    Cycling by Design is a bit like the highway code. Neither is perfect but both might be adequate, however as they are both routinely ignored will an update improve matters much?

    Posted 6 years ago #

  14. Morningsider
    Member

    Frenchy - doubtful, they didn't recommend a review of Cycling by Design in their final report. Oddly, they didn't even recommend a review of the TRO process - despite that being identified as one of the issues they should look at.

    Final task force report: https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/42284/active-travel-task-force-june-2018.pdf

    Issues for consideration: https://www.transport.gov.scot/our-approach/active-travel/active-travel-task-force/#53429

    Posted 6 years ago #

  15. Frenchy
    Member

    Page 18 of the report:

    "Update the Trunk Road Cycling Initiative and Cycling by Design documents."

    "In consultation with relevant stakeholders, review and revise the TRO process."

    and page 41:

    "Some design and technical documents in circulation need to be updated; otherwise there is inconsistency in delivery, e.g. Living Streets’ document ‘The Pedestrian Pound’ and Road Humps Act 1984 as well as Cycling by Design and the Trunk Road Cycling Initiative"

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  16. Morningsider
    Member

    Frenchy - the quote on page 18 is from an "Analysis of emerging top level themes" and page 41 from a "summary of oral evidence" received by the task force. There is no mention of revising Cycling by Design or the TRO process in the conclusions, recommendations and next steps section(pages 24-26).

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  17. Frenchy
    Member

    I see.

    Ugh.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  18. sallyhinch
    Member

    I get Cycling by Design quoted at me a lot as a reason not to do things properly by the coonsil. Giving it some real teeth would have been helpful.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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