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Burnshot flyover

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  • Started 9 months ago by fiefster
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  1. fiefster
    Member

    Since they've closed the Burnshot flyover, I've been commuting from the FRB via Dalmeny and A90 cycle path. Whilst this is totally adequate, I used to mix the journey up by going occasionally via Craigie Farm, Standingstanes, Kirkliston etc. Does anyone know if you can "walk your bike" over the flyover on the pavement or is it closed to all crossings? I've tried to see whilst riding past but darkness has prevented. A near empty eastbound ride from Standingstanes is quite appealing.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  2. paddyirish
    Member

    seen a lot of cyclists work their way through the cones from both directions, so probably a cautious yes...

    An increased amount of traffic from Craigies Farm road joining the B924 slip road (down from Dalmeny Estate gates) and doing an effective U turn to join the mortorway, so there may be a few drivers who think that Standingstane- Craigies- B924-A90 is their fastest route, so be careful between Standingstane and Craigies...

    Posted 9 months ago #
  3. fimm
    Member

    This the bridge over the A90 - described as "Burnshot Bridge" in the yellow warning signs? I cycled over it a couple of weekends back having initially dismounted to take a look. Obviously they could move/dig up stuff so that you can't get over it, but it was certainly passable then.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  4. fiefster
    Member

    Thanks Paddy & Fimm, I've had a few close passes when the road narrows towards Craigiehall Camp. I'll try and pick a way over one morning as it is getting lighter.

    What's the reason for the closure?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  5. scotti
    Member

    The bridge is falling to bits. Loose concrete has been falling onto the A90.
    Will probably need to be replaced I would guess.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  6. stiltskin
    Member

    It is pretty easy to cycle across the bridge. Obviously if they are actually working at the time it may be more problematic.
    It does occur to me that if they are going to redo the bridge (rather than demolish/rebuild) this would be a good time to put in a cycle lane. The narrowed single lane section had always been a source of potential conflict with drivers trying to bully their way past bikes. Given they have already dug up the 'pavement' it would be easy to do. Any idea who we should contact to make the suggestion?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  7. fimm
    Member

    No problem (note I only go that way at weekends, my commuting routes are elsewhere).

    Posted 9 months ago #
  8. acsimpson
    Member

    The bridge was definitely passable yesterday morning. As others have said it possibly wont be once work starts.

    There is a large number of selfish drivers currently using the junction to jump the queue on the A90, I'm not sure what can be done about them though as the slip roads have to remain open for buses/Dalmeny estate.

    @Paddyirish, I don't know if the cars are passing Craigies Farm. I think the official diversion is to go all the way along Burnshot road to join the A90 in the wrong direction before U-turning at Barnbougle. It's possible that the traffic isn't much lighter than normal.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  9. HankChief
    Member

    Can I get an update on the passability of the closure on Burnshot flyover please?

    Ta

    Posted 7 months ago #
  10. stiltskin
    Member

    Cycled over it a few days ago and nothing has changed.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  11. HankChief
    Member

    Thanks. That saves us from cycling up the sliproad.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  12. Blueth
    Member

    Latest rumour today from someone located close to the spot is that the flyover is to be fenced off as cyclists and pedestrians have been ignoring the closure.

    Seems unlikely given that there is no signed, or indeed legal, diversion that either could use once at the west side of the bridge. Cyclists, at least, could use an unsatisfactory diversion from the east but that would not be suitable for pedestrians.

    But signage for non-motorised users should be there - it ain't.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  13. stiltskin
    Member

    Are they afraid it is going to collapse under the weight of an enthusiastic peleton? It can't be in that much danger of falling down. Surely?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  14. Ed1
    Member

    found it a little tricky on the way back from callander last week as seemed to be no obvious route to the bridge the normal path closed.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  15. fiefster
    Member

    Flyover remained open and unfenced this morning. I spotted the other day that there is a (rather dank looking) underpass (under the A90) just before the weighbridge

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9681734,-3.3216853,3a,90y,216.99h,62.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP8cnKXUxmuKMGQMWJWK_AA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

    but not sure if there is a way down the NB slip from Burnshot

    Posted 7 months ago #
  16. HankChief
    Member

    @fiefster - you could use the underpass and NB sliproad heading out of town, but heading into town you'd be going the wrong way on the sliproad and there is no pavement :-(

    Posted 7 months ago #
  17. DaveC
    Member

    Unless they actually completely fence it off, then there are no problems with passing. There are concerite blocks to stop vehicles and a line of cones, butted up together the whole way across. Someone always moved one out so you shouldn't even need to stop.

    If any fence is put up, vandals would move or make a hole after only a short time.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  18. fiefster
    Member

    @hankchief they could open up a wee route through Craigiehall?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  19. DaveC
    Member

    Not until the Army move out.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  20. Blueth
    Member

    If you think the underpass is dank now you should ride it when it's a foot deep in windblown wet autumn leaves.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  21. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    Cycled over the bridge last night, as I have ever since it closed. There is absolutely no issue with cycling through and, indeed, the cones even seemed to have a cycle-wide gap in them to allow easy passage.

    If more serious work takes place (dismantled/totally blocked) then I guess we'll have an issue coming back East. Has anyone sought further information?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  22. PS
    Member

    If they dismantled the bridge I'd guess we'd all have to ride through Dalmeny and Standingstane Road instead (or vice versa).

    Posted 7 months ago #
  23. DaveC
    Member

    I wonder what will happen for Pedal for Scotland.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  24. Arellcat
    Moderator

    The bridge is falling to bits. Loose concrete has been falling onto the A90.

    And they have to penetrate the road surface to inspect the interior and make a judgement as to the current strength of the bridge. That vehicles have been thundering over it for years and it didn't fall down, and that cyclists would present a negligible loading, isn't really the issue. Isn't it a controlled site?

    But if they are digging it up, to the extent that the hazards to cyclists is equipment or poor/dangerous surface, then it needs more than traffic cones.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  25. stiltskin
    Member

    But they aren't digging up the road surface, they have dug up the pavement areas. There is a perfectly car-sized road available and no workmen/equipment on site. Granted: If work re-starts then I can see the point of the exclusion.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  26. DaveC
    Member

    I would have thought any risk was not to cyclists on the bridge but to vehicles below. The fact that the M90 has no restrictions would appear to suggest that it poses little threat. If peds and cycles were any contributing factor to anything passing below, then they would surely fence it off?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  27. TonyJ
    Member

    Currently the order for the bridge closure runs to mid2018. A final report to CEC is due very soon but apparently it is likely that replacement is required. How that will be done & where the money will come from is going to be interesting!

    Posted 7 months ago #
  28. acsimpson
    Member

    @PS, the route if you are heading west is to go through the underpass opposite the bus stop just before the flyover. you can then ride up the slip road.

    Heading east this isn't an option as the slip road is one way so the options are Standingstane Road or past Craigies. Alternatively you could wheel/carry your bike down the verge of the slip road. Perhaps they should be building a shared use pavement down the slip road to the underpass.

    @DaveC, I think PfS avoided the bridge last year by finishing at Ingleston?

    Posted 6 months ago #
  29. Broony84
    Member

    What is the script with Craigiehall Barricks? Is it still operational? I'm assuming the road that leads from the Kirkliston side to the location of the underpass would be a definite no-no. Bagsie not trying it.

    Edit

    Oops, sorry missed the comment above about it still being occupied.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  30. chrisfl
    Member

    Broony84: If you look on OpenStreetMap - http://osm.org/go/evfJQCfA it's possible to see the gates that aren't passable and the private roads (marked with dashes).

    But Riverside Road is residential and accessible, so it is possible to take the underpass go along Riverside Road, and then across the River Almond (although not on a road bike...)

    But no route to the North as far as I know.

    Posted 6 months ago #

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