@Arellcat: "treg" was used at my secondary school as well.
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Schools hols again so trainee jailbirds causing trouble
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Spides and Millies was the vernacular for the male and female varieties respectively in Northern Ireland when I was growing up.
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'Spides' very much alive in Belfast as of the few years ago I lived there...
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When I was a kid at Scotland's "best" (most expensive) public school tinks was the word used to refer to what would now be neds or indeed anyone non public school or even rubbish private schools like Watsons, Edinburgh Academy, Dollar etc
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'Tink' very much alive and well. Used ferociously by my very middle class mum when reverting to her very working class roots to refer to the shiftless lumpenproletariat.
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As I approached the still burning remains of a motorbike on the Blackhall Path yesterday evening, one of the young gentlemen assisting the firemen made a pathetic attempt at kicking my bike.
It appeared to be more of an act of bravado for the benefit of his friends and I think he would have come worse off if he had actually made contact.
I am used to ignoring unwanted behaviour in my own children so chose not to react. He was probably just a little overexcited and needed a time out.
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@davidsondave - I must have passed that group (10-15 gents) not long before you as they were taking up most of the path and trying to kick bits of the fairing off the still-working and revving motorbike which was presumably set on fire shortly after.
Thankfully I squeezed through without kick or comment but they didn't seem to care that a bike was approaching. shame.
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"Tregs" were trousers when I was at high school in the early 80s.
"Yer tregs are the hawz!"
translated as
"Your trousers are exceedingly spiffy!"
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passed some firemen putting out a fire near where NEPN goes under Ferry Rd at the west end - is that the Blackhall Path part ?
no Neds in attendance, but if any had tried to kick my bike I suspect I would have dismounted and engaged.
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"I suspect I would have dismounted and engaged"
Not advised, hasn't ended well on some previous occasions.
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Also Trouble on Tram path this week.
'I was cycling from Saughton House last week - back of 6 - just heading parallel to the tram track at the top of the hill before shooting down towards Balgreen Tram stop - whole bunch of young people on either side of the cycle track - throwing things at passing cyclists - also there was a motorcycle on the track that passed me. Heads up - there is a problem in the Saughton area with motorcycles being inappropriately used in the wider neighbourhood - heard this from Police Scotland as I was at a meeting in North Edinburgh #strongernorth about similar issues. Be careful out there.'
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@biketrain: I saw a youth in grey hoodie/trackies get off a motorbike at the Balgreen tram stop the other week, leaving his pal to shoot off towards Broomhoouse. Annoyingly my camera wasn't on.
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""I suspect I would have dismounted and engaged"
Not advised, hasn't ended well on some previous occasions."
That depends on how much you engage. Posh neds run away pretty quickly, normal neds might need some more engagement, even to the point of threatening violence.
It's normally about how you carry yourself.
Class, and how it is viewed is a funny thing (now onto parallel conversation). I've had a pretty weird upbringing of being poor, and also going to public school. One's own view is often complicated.
I spent a good 20 years hiding from what I am, which is basically a ned who reached the middle classes. The earrings came out at 20, and so did the posh voice, well as posh as I could muster. I was also determined never to get tattooed, that belonged to the working classes, and I'm not one of those!
Weirdly now, having hid from it most of my adult life - maybe mid-life crisis comes in many guises - the earring is back, as is my council estate accent, well as much as I dare let out. I particularly like arguing with rich people (as I see them (and how I see myself)) on my estate who complain about having to pay more for council tax this year, most of them don't know they're living!
I still fight with tattoos, they're trendy now, and not so class defining, and I really want one (always have tbh). I've even gone into shops to get prices - I want a chainring / chain on my calf - but I still can't bring myself to sit in the chair, that would be like going back. Weird.
Most neds aren't actually all that bad, just a bit noisy, but some do need a *skelp...
EDIT *figuratively speaking, I wouldn't actually condone skelping a ned in this day and age. When I was a ned I have been (deservedly) skelped by an adult member of my then community when up to minor no good. - Actually was a neighbour, who then told my dad he'd skelped me, and why. My dad then proceeded to skelp me again for getting up to no good.
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@Baldcyclist
Excellent post. Sounds like you might get a book out of that.
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Baldcyclist, I've heard it said that tattooed people don't mind if you don't have tattoos.
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"That depends on how much you engage. Posh neds run away pretty quickly, normal neds might need some more engagement, even to the point of threatening violence."
Not the threatening that's the issue.
Violence happens - more likely when 'they' are in a group and perceive that they are being challenged.
"Posh neds run away pretty quickly" may well do, but you're less likely to come across such in areas and activities above.
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@ Bc
Role model?
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/david-beckham-uses-his-tattoos-for-a-good-cause-183721905.html
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@Beano There was only a few young folk when I was there so the rest must have scarpered on hearing the sirens.
""I suspect I would have dismounted and engaged"
Not advised, hasn't ended well on some previous occasions."
A few years back I had a run in with a small group of "posh neds" late afternoon near to the Morningside Clock on the busy street with lots of folk around. One chap was walking towards me being verbal and threatening me. I tried to calm him down but to no avail. Had my bike between us to give me some space and as a last resort threatened him with my d-lock. It was at this point, his friends ran from behind me and landed a punch which fractured my eye socket.
People who are looking for conflict don't have anything against me, they have issues with themselves.
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Happened to be cycling up by Craigmillar Castle/ERI/Gilmerton yesterday. Saw a Lambretta (or similar scooter) being ridden "inappropriately" on shared use path below the castle, then on the grass (!) by two bare headed wee neds presumably having school holiday larks. A grown-up (ned?) in grey joggers/track top/helmet was speeding at a fair lick on a high powered motorbike uphill on Craigour Drive (20 zone). Another motorbike was spotted just off the shared use path southwest of ERI complex, this was a burnt out shell - looked quite "fresh".
IIRC often issues with motorbikes being ridden "inappropriately" at speed on shared use paths in Midlothian too.
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dismounted and engaged
violence happens
this ugly moment of impact
always with the first punch or kick
capacity for suffering
we see who has it and who doesn't
adrenaline logic
in * this * moment
and that's just one on one
outnumbered... ?
only the unhinged can front it out
ultimately just front on all sides
meaningless chemical conflict
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I've always been a fairly enthusiastic engager on the NEPN, particularly while jogging - plodding away like a sweaty Q boat.
I really feel the vast majority of those who case trouble there feed on weakness - and have never hung around once challenged.
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@14westfield how tall are you? If not tall can you project a sort of I am a mental psycho jogger? For example do you wear a red Terry towelling head band with John McEnroe or sideshow bob hair?
I only ask as it is possible to engage with neds if you have a clear escape route. I have asked lads to give it a rest or move along in reasonable way, but always with escape route clear, except that time in wester hailes in heavy snow thAt could have gone very badly but was just snowball fight in the end. Four of them and one of me with me cycling away giving them critique on their lobbing ability. Serious note - at least one snowball had a stone in it.
Bax, nice poem
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plodding away like a sweaty Q boat
Some great posts on this thread. Now I'm imagining you jogging around with a naval cannon concealed about your person.
The last time I lost it while running was with a group of golfers, one of whom called me a 'pr**k' as I passed after I'd waited for his mate to tee off. I can look a bit psycho, especially after pushing it up Braid Hill and the guy's two mates backed off and left him to chat with me en tête à tête, which was lucky and actually caused my hackles to drop nicely. Bit unhinged à la Bax.
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@IWRATS - I do like a dropped hackle. Hugs all round everybody pals. Also I feel I can discern between a real dropped hackle and a fake dropped hackle designed to make you let your guard down so you can be chinned. Or chibbed as I typed.
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Eyebrowed? I had three escape routes when I was eyebrowed with the bottom end of a bottle on a well-lit street in daylight, back in 2004 before bike cameras existed.
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@wingpig, you do have good eyebrows, sorry t hear about this 2004 chibbing.
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Yet another freshly burnt out motorbike on the Blackhall path this morning. The surface is becoming quite impressively scarred.
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Curiously there is some suggestion here that motorbike thieves and or burners are observing school holidays and or going to school when schools are on which was not the case when. Most recently worked in muirhouse two years back nor identically twenty years back
It is Chinatown jake
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@himupstairs - is that the second Blackhall Path motorbike in the space of a week? I saw one last week and then another today but just assummed I hadn't paid attention and no-one had removed the wreckage from last week but perhaps they are completely separate incidents?
They are all over the place - I went from the NEPN to WoL coming off at Anderson Place today, there is a burnt out moped at the side of the path there too.
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There was one on Wednesday, and then the one I saw this morning, presumably from last night.
While I wouldn't like to speculate about school attendance or lack thereof, I travel along the Blackhall path often enough to notice that the frequency of such incidents does seem to increase during holiday time. Brighter evenings make a difference too..
A Chinatown indeed.
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