There's is (or was at the weekend) a burnt out motorbike on the paths at East Craigs too.
It was at the weekend so schools would have been out even if it hadn't been the weekend.
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Schools hols again so trainee jailbirds causing trouble
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Posted 7 years ago #
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What do they say about a stich in time saves nine?
Maybe if the police had nipped the anti-social behaviour in the bud when it first arose, it would never have gotten to the point of what could be described as attempted murder.
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DRIVERS had to swerve around bricks hurled from a bridge on to a busy Capital road during the morning rush-hour yesterday.
Don't they mean "Cars had to swerve..."?
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Youths tied ladder to Livingston railway tracks
Four "reckless" youths who tied a metal ladder to railway tracks in West Lothian are being hunted by police. Officers said the consequences could have been "catastrophic" when an Edinburgh train ploughed through it at Livingston North station. The Scotrail driver spotted the ladder and applied the brakes, but was unable to stop in time. The youths were witnessed tethering the ladder to the tracks. They remained at the scene to watch as it was hit by the train.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39600089
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cars-bricked-from-edinburgh-bridge-at-rush-hour
Like many despairing others I expect, as soon as I saw the yellow and black hatching on the bridge girder I knew immediately which one it was.
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I knew immediately which one it was.
To my quick glance it bears quite the similarity to the pair on Restalrig Rd Sth
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Re. bricking, cycled past as this was happening but didn't realise what they were up to until I was halfway past. Glad the police caught up with them.
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Perhaps those concerned with overly PC descriptions of Neds could start another thread? I'm glad to see this thread, after sifting 4 pages, has returned to the downright criminality on the NEPN and elsewhere.
Has any one engaged with the police? Is there a strategy, other than simple call-outs, to deal with this?
I tend to not be on the paths during the holidays, because my wife's a teacher so she's off and looking after the wean, hence no traipse to nursery on the cargo bike.
Incidentally, Non-educated delinquent (NED) or ne'er-do-well is an excellent description of the people causing the problems. The other kids in these neighbourhoods not stealing property and vandalising public places are, by definition, neither of the above.
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Having worked on and off in muirhouse since 1994 the neds could not care less whether you call them neds or not. The nomenclature means nothing to them. The schools work really hard to offer alternatives to being neds but the culture of lawlessness is stronger in muirhouse than in wester hailes or Craigmillar.
Where using terms like neds is a little misdirected (IMO) is that such a description whilst rich in accuracy also tends to situate the problem inside the cranium of the torags rather than at a wider societal level which tolerates a world where somewhere like muirhouse can exist.
Picking a less contentious area to focus on the housing stock in Pilton muirhouse is council or bought council. The bought council tends to be sub let to tenants who already have arrears so they cannot access council. Thus the leverage of being evicted if the neds are not grounded has no effect.
Knocking down large swathes of housing in the 1990s and filling in some of the gaps with nicer individual houses (e.g. muirhouse green) works for the much smaller number of tenants who manage somehow to get one of the nicer houses. This strategy of housing association or bought houses being built in the gap sites works but is expensive. There are numerous smaller developments on the go. But the big chunk of corporation built houses in west Pilton remains a ghetto through various political parties changing control over the decades. Great people live down there too but I Would struggle to do so myself.
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@ gembo
Thanks for that.
I remember the good old days when the problem/scapegoat wasn't (just) neds but "problem families".
'Solution' was heavy social work intervention and/or eviction (moving the 'problem' somewhere else).
On the face of it small number of neds/families (known to police etc.) so 'must be easy to deal with/solve'...
Always been good people/community activity in the area.
Recently http://www.mydg.org.uk/cyclone-gypsy-brae-bike-track
Previously of course Muirhouse was the AIDS centre of the universe due to heroin injecting.
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@Harts Our residents group EH4 Res Assoc got lamposts converted for camera use at Maidencraig & Telford NEPN slips. Unfortunately Polis have never yet brought their mobile cameras to play - you'd think schools hols would be an opportune time to do so.
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@gembo
Great post. I've been reading a bit of Scottish history of late, and the trauma of our poor housing seems to resonate down through the generations. The meanness of our accommodation in even quite recent times is shocking.
I have no idea what I could practically do to change this situation which makes me feel a bit useless.
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My plea seems to have fallen on deaf (challenged of hearing, through absolutely no fault (most of the time, unless rock musicians or engaged in other noisy activity without taking necessary precautions) of their own) ears...
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@Harts How does one achieve a "simple call out"? On Halloween I encountered three different groups on Roseburn Path (at around 6.30pm) tormenting passing cyclists. Two lots throwing stuff (ice cubes and eggs I think) off bridges, and one group jumping onto path to impede progress...
I had no intention of stopping to call Police when on the cycle path, but decided to call once I arrived at my destination to alert them and to suggest someone might take a look. (Although it was possible that Halloween incidents elsewhere might require attention).
I didn't think this was 999 emergency, so called the police non emergency number.
It was hopeless, and I'll never bother phoning that number again with such a report.
It took some time for phone to be answered, then I was left hanging on for 10+ minutes, and then the person at call centre (no idea where this is in Scotland) had no familiarity with Edinburgh or cycle path network, and wanted to know the name of the road.
They took my details, but no idea if followed up. I heard no more.
And I had to pay for the call too.
I'd never bother doing that ever again. It just felt pointless.
If there was a way to contact someone locally for a quick call out response it would be good to know. I suspect, however, that centralisation of calls to Police means this isn't possible.
I shall avoid the path on future All Hallows' Eve in future!
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its always a disappointment invoking the lacanian 'big other' in its popular guise of local police enforcement
a particular recent bugbear i had with them..
deliberate collision when a liveried van driver ran me off the road when approaching a speed bump, the cops insisted on logging it as a "road accident"
but it was "assault", not "accident", says i..
at the very least its a "road incident"..
"meh" sez cops
they never got back to me either
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101 and the centralised call center have been hopeless in my experience.
Called a thing in to 101 and got a frantic call half an hour later from the police in actual pursuit of the thing because the hand-over of information had been so woeful.
Called another thing in and the phone person was on the verge of refusing to proceed unless I supplied a postcode for Craigmillar Hill, which they had never heard of.
Question is, what would the front line service look like if they'd kept spending on local call centers? I have no idea, clearly.
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no idea where this is in Scotland
the east area control centre for 999 and 101 calls is based at bilston, loanhead
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/police-call-centre-in-recruitment-drive-1-3783197
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@bax Ah well now I know. I still feel a disatisfied customer and won't bother again. Other ideas?
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Other ideas?
burn down the disco
hang the blessed dj
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I have called 101 twice for NEPN incidents (once for kids setting up a roadblock to pelt people with eggs, second time drag racing a motorbike) and on both occasions had a positive experience in terms of interaction with the call centre.
I did get a callback on one of these reports which was basically that there was a police officer on site about 30mins later with no sign of the perpetrators. So although not really cracking the case open was atleast confirmation that someone was dispatched to check it out.
For me, having someone chuck eggs is a pain but being passed by racing motorbike(s) is altogether more scary so, as per other posters keen to understand if there are any ways to help the police / council / whoever to get a bit more on top of this.
Posted 7 years ago # -
We'll never tackle rising crime until we get serious about hurting people who do bad things.
Cyclists who throw litter into hedges should have their bikes confiscated.
Hmmm.
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Just a toned down copycat article -
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The article, which can be read in full here (link is external) began: “A festive custom we could do worse than foster would be stringing piano wire across country lanes to decapitate cyclists.” It went on to criticise cyclists for wearing Lycra and helmets before arriving at its main focus - accusations that cyclists litter hedgerows with empty energy drink bottles during country rides.
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Saw a motocross bike being ridden off the Loanhead path earlier today at Gilmerton Station Road earlier today. It had a numberplate but from the way it was then ridden up Lasswade Rd, I doubt it was in the hands of its rightful owner.
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Bike stolen outside my work yesterday. Apparently two youths turned up on one bike. Then rode away on two. One being the stolen one. They were disguised at Cyclist, by wearing H****ts not hoodies.
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A "crackdown" on crime? All that wrist-slapping must realy drain police resources.
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There seem to be some excited children roaming EH6. Assume they're now on exam leave; take a brush with you when next out on the bike paths...
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A brush?
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Either:
a) to chase the young scallywags, Parkie style, with broom raised over head yelling "I'll 'ave ya!"
b) to sweep away broken shards of glass before p******e happens.
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