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WoL path is very dry

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  1. gembo
    Member

    @frenchy, was very wet, and thought it was turning to hail. We were heading east so the shower fell on us in Balerno then Straiton then fort kinnaird.

    Did you encounter the lake just outside the rugby club? Not smelling good.i went round on pavement then came back down high street when out buying Nanny State from Top Mid. Bot Mid has been out of nanny state for three weeks. I have been on Southwold 0.5 per cent brown ale from marks and Spencer. It is 500ml so is actually not actually negligible. Bit fizzler than nanny state too.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    I was on my way back downstream when the real heavy stuff started, so didn't notice anything at the rugby club. Worst bit I saw was in below Bridge Road at Colinton - was dry on my way upstream, but there was a torrent of water going across the path towards the WoL on my way back north.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    @frenchy, was spectacular puddle and if car went through it caused a tsunami to go right up the drive of the relatively new properties on bavelaw road corner, where the allotment is and where the people object if you open the back door of the bowling club if boiling at a ceilidh. Don't get me wrong I would complain about noise too.

    With the volume of houses being built it is time we started the Tarmac the WoL campaign. Cala and CEC both hoping horsey brigade would object but the lymphoy road is good place for horses to have a nice soft foot step. WoL path needs Tarmac but also many hurdles and chicanes to prevent motorbikes.

    Cala have claimed they want to Tarmac the path as they are building on big scale at ravelrig and also at kinleith so the WoL path links those sites. Scot gov very pro allowing builders to build on green belt ( so in this case, Cala to build a large number of big expensive properties on fields Lord Roseberry has flogged them to avoid death duties.).

    Time to get organised.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. Frenchy
    Member

    WoL path needs Tarmac but also many hurdles and chicanes to prevent motorbikes.

    Any barrier which prevents a motorbike is also likely to prevent, say, a trailer carrying two small children to nursery.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    Knockhill Braehead too steep for motorbikes so won't need chicane, biggest Ingress likely at colinton near the tunnel. Saw a car in the tunnel once.

    As never likely to happen, largely hypothetical

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. Moose
    Member

    "Time to get organised"

    I am in Currie and happy to be involved in campaigning as I would use it daily and year round if tarmac-ed.

    Pop by next time you are 12 volt-ing past my door Gembo? (Yellow one opposite Tom's turn off.)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    OK Moose, Tom's promise of eldferflower champagne is slow to materialise.

    You want me to come round for a TarmaC The WoL Path Campaign Meeting?

    Agenda Item 1 - Hurdles that stop motor bikes but let Dave get through with the trailer and two weans.
    Item 2 - how to avoid the broadband in there that does not seem to have helped my buffering issues much
    Item 3 - Horsey folk, what is to be done?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. Moose
    Member

    Item 4 - cider and jam programme

    yes - let's do that

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    @Moose, commute is going to be very slow and exhaust fumed when the Cala Estate joins the A70. I am thinking canal. Unless our campaign takes off. Tom fixed my door knob situation, I gave him all the blackcurrants from my bush, he came back with goosecurrant (a fruit only Tom knows) and blackcurrant jam, very nice on porridge, so I gave him an incrediby hard Specialised BG (BG my arse) saddle. He is persevering with it. He towed me home the other night.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    WoL Path passable again. I like it when the mud subsides enough in the summer to get up and down it.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. chdot
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  12. gembo
    Member

    Had good chat with Moose last night on this very path.

    I have filled in JarlAth's survey in the affirmative. I have suggested Cala Homes pay for this tarmacadming of the WoL path and that hurdles and chicanes are considered to prevent vehicle access.

    Hope it gets a good response. Someone I was chatting to who knows Jar very well seemed slightly lukewarm the other day. Which surprised me.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. Dave
    Member

    This morning I drove the girls down Lanark Rd to nursery, adding another car to the queue along the A70. If the WoL had a hard surface (and lights) we'd be a lot more likely to stick with the bike trailer.

    On the other side of the Pentlands in the middle of nowhere the railbeds have a good surface. It's incredible really that traffic on the A70 is so bad and nobody has pushed through improvements to the WoL.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. Frenchy
    Member

    Would a segregated cycle route on Lanark Road keep everyone* happy?

    *everyone who currently uses the WoL, anyway.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. steveo
    Member

    Would a segregated cycle route on Lanark Road keep everyone* happy?

    Nope. The gradient is much greater, you'd still have to stop at the lights, worry about side streets etc. The same reason that the canal will never be bettered, unfortunately.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. fimm
    Member

    Better cycling conditions on the Lanark Road would give more choices, though. The thing about the Water of Leith is that there are only a few decent access points between the canal and Balerno, and even then it is a stiff climb from the path to the road.

    I can't see myself ever preferring a tarmacked WoL path over the road on my road bike, because on the WoL path I'd have to dodge pedestrians/dogs/small children on bikes/etc. Same as I don't use the canal very often.

    Also I enjoy the challenge of the climb and I also am quite happy to go back down at 20 - 25 mph. And THAT is a problem the Dutch do not have - how do you deal with downhills where people can easily get up to that sort of speed?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. AKen
    Member

    Would a segregated cycle route on Lanark Road keep everyone* happy

    Plenty of space for a segregated route between Slateford and Gillespie Crossroads - but not so much from there on to Balerno.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. jonty
    Member

    I've often wondered that - what would a downhilll segregated path on Broughton or Dundas street be like?

    As a recreational user of the WoL I used to be dead against tarmaccing although these days I see that it's not really a natural haven but a bit of infrastructure. I do agree though that a segregated path would be a better use of money, if a difficult one to sell on the narrower sections of Lanark Road West. However, communities along the route, particularly Juniper Green, are getting increasingly concerned about traffic levels - so perhaps they're open to a bold solution (but don't touch their parking...)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. steveo
    Member

    Better cycling conditions on the Lanark Road would give more choices, though.

    Not saying its either or, Lanark Road desperately needs "something" done but it wouldn't make it a "better" facility than the path. In the same way the Canal would still be better than segregated lanes on Slateford Road if you are using it for its entire lenght. I avoid the canal where ever possible but I can see why its attractive.

    Its got to be said Fimm you're a very strong cyclist and have no problem with the gradient of Lanark Road, you're also not trying to tow a trailer or box bike up there. First time I went up there on a road bike I had to push the last few hundred meters, the climb is tough if you're not fit.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. steveo
    Member

    Plenty of space for a segregated route between Slateford and Gillespie Crossroads - but not so much from there on to Balerno.

    But is there? All those grand houses lining Lanark road have drive ways and I doubt they're going to want to give them up. Genuine question, how well do segregated lanes work with dropped kerbs every few metres to allow access?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. Dave
    Member

    There is room to build a facility out to the crossroads for sure, and that would probably encourage some more cycling from residents who live inside the bypass in the SW. However, the big problem is getting through Juniper Green and I can't see how any reasonable facility could ever be built there. It would make the fight over building that school in a park seem like a push over.

    Presumably like with most other infrastructure, if you go at a time that is busy with people taking a stroll (Sunday lunch time?) it's a different story, but that's not when you'd expect any real volume of cycle commuters. In winter, the odd time I've tried the WoL I literally had it to myself. There was not one other soul on it, and the adjacent A70 was gridlocked.

    Most of the time I am on the WoL I am running, because otherwise I ride on the main road. But I am one of the fraction of a percent who cycle in from the WoL valley. It should be inevitable that the path will be improved as many thousands more houses are built out here, adding thousands more rush hour journeys to the road. But... This Is Edinburgh?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. gembo
    Member

    CALA Homes have never mentioned paying for a segregated path on the Lanark Road/Lanark Road West. However, they have floated the idea of joining up several of their developments by tarmacadming the WoL Path. They obviously expect objections, appeals etc so they do not have to do it.

    Can't be any horsey folks in North Edinburgh as the former railways over that way all have good surfaces.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    "Can't be any horsey folks in North Edinburgh as the former railways over that way all have good surfaces."

    Some truth in that, though another factor is that in various places there wasn't a usable path until those bits of the NEPN were actually created.

    THEN there weren't nearly as many people walking or cycling 'off-road' generally so much less potential conflict or objections.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. gembo
    Member

    Road into The morning of e dinburgh very snarled so I birl d down onto WOL path at Matt's shop, Just Bike Repairs. He was not looking for the cat that has adopted him. Mistake. The stretch after colinton tunnel ultra churn d up by the diggers that are doing something on dthe descent to the river. Not sure what. Was muddy for 1.5 km

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. unhurt
    Member

    all other found poetry can give up & go home now.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. Sheeptoucher
    Member

    Wait has Victor (the cat) gone missing?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. gembo
    Member

    Matt was outside the shop the other morning looking for him.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. gembo
    Member

    Ayee

    Forgot to mention the secret half marathon on today,leaves from a spot 13 miles up river from leith.

    Spotted the large flour arrow Last night. Then alll the runners this morning. Like the one in aviemore all downhill.

    Soft surface too for old joints

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. HankChief
    Member

    We met lots of runners on the WoL at Murrayfield.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. wingpig
    Member

    Aaaah. There were some odd marks around Leith recently, which looked more deliberate than the standard runners' splattings.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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