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Tram track issues - specific solutions

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  • Started 7 months ago by HankChief
  • Latest reply from wingpig

  1. Rosie

    Tramline update:-

    Plans are underway to try and improve the safety of Edinburgh’s tramline system for people travelling by bike…

    Following the tragic death of Edinburgh University medical student Zhi Min Soh this summer at the West End junction, Edinburgh Council promised to investigate measures to reduce the toll of tramline cycling crashes throughout the system. Also, Transport Minister Humza Yousaf offered to give the Council any appropriate assistance.

    Subsequently, a motion on this (motion 9.1) was passed unanimously at the first meeting of the new Council – at which we had a deputation – and a detailed report on proposals is due at the October Transport Committee.

    It is an unfortunate fact that, despite our strenuous efforts 10 years ago, the tramline layout was designed without proper consideration to cycling (or walking). As a result, although many improvements can be made, the system will never be as bike-friendly as it could and should have been.

    Spokes has now met with Council officers, where we learned that proposed measures have been divided into stages 1-4 below, the first to be implemented rapidly, whilst later stages will be firmed up and their timescales clarified as design, consultation and, in some cases, legal processes are undertaken.

    •If you have specific ideas for short-term or longer-term measures, tell your councillor and ask them to feed your ideas to relevant officers. Find your (Edinburgh) councillors here.
    •In particular, consider the points made in the Spokes deputation to the June Council meeting.
    •If you are involved in, or know someone involved in, a tramline crash – please do get it reported officially and send a copy to Spokes.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  2. nedd1e_h

    The measures described in point 1. of the Spokes article below are to be implemented, allegedly by the end of this month:

    Posted 4 months ago #
  3. EdinburghCycleCam

    This is probably the wrong thread to use, feel free to point me elsewhere - a workmate of mine came a cropper from the tram lines at Haymarket on Friday; he said there was a car parked in the bike lane, so he went around it which resulted in his wheel going into the tram line and him coming off and getting a few scrapes, bruises and torn clothing. No camera at the time unfortunately, but he's got pictures of his injuries.
    Is there any point in him reporting this to the council, if nothing else, just for statistical purposes? And can anyone recommend where to report it?


    Posted 3 months ago #
  4. acsimpson

    Hi Steve,
    It is definitely worth reporting this to the council and to spokes.

    I'm not sure but it may also be worth reporting it to 101 so that the police have details of the accident. Was the car parked legally?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  5. Tulyar

    After a long hunt I've tracked down the Regulation 28 report that has failed to appear on the English Coroners' website linked to the request made by South London Coroner Selena Lynch at the inquest for Roger de Klerk killed in literally identical circumstances where Cherry Orchard Road crosses the Croydon Tram route on 12 November 2013. The deadline for response for this was 11 December 2014 (56 days after Coroner made request) letter dated 10 December 2014

    Frankly the response was a long way short of delivering any answers

    It misses out completely the fact that Roger's fatal injuries were delivered when the bus following him failed to stop in time or other wise avoid running over him, and offers no solutions to this issue, or commentary on it. Most fatalities involving buses and HGV's have a common factor - the victim goes under the wheels, elimination of this is not an impossible task, as trams have this feature as a standard requirement - unsurprisingly it is known as a lifeguard.

    It fails to note that there is one solution to the road layout which has Southbound traffic turning parallel to the track and then making a turn as the rails are being crossed (one way to lose control of a cycle) and starting with a very shallow angle of crossing (a second way to lose control of a cycle). This is to eliminate the isolated pedestrian island (never used?) that in theory should be used for a 2-stage crossing of the tram track and the carriageway on different signal phases. Without that island the Southbound traffic would cross the tram tracks in a straight line at an angle of between 40 and 60 degrees, eliminating 2 of the regular causes of cyclists falls

    Other causes of cyclist falls on tram, rails raised above the road surface (Roe vs Supertram &c) and road defects created by presence of rails also exists at this location (and widely across the on-street sections of Croydon Tramlink).

    There is a reference to plastic inserts etc and work being undertaken, however I was at this time working with STRAIL(UK) to get the veloSTRAIL system approved for Network Rail mainline use. This system has since 2005 eliminated almost all cycle crashes on crossings where cyclists cross at a shallow angle, and since 2014 has delivered the same performance at several UK locations. However it is only available for the regular BR113 section rail and not for any smaller vignole rail sections or all grooved tram rails or bullhead sections. Thus it could be used here BUT this work would need to be done as a major disruption of tram services and a massive rebuilding of the track at this location. I was unaware of any enquiry or review of the costs to install veloSTRAIL at the crash site

    Has the repeat of the same type of crash in Edinburgh delivered any better action. Possibly so as the issue of leaving space has seen some signage and bus driver briefing, with some (not always in the right place) road markings in place.

    That said there might also be some conclusions on measures to prevent victims being run over by buses and trucks, and the results of a report highlighting the substantially increased tendency for cyclists to fall off crossing tram tracks when distracted from their planned move by the actions of other road users.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  6. le_soigneur

    My colleague followed the red paint at Haymarket, after a Lothian Bus driver kindly waved him thru. Of course the track promptly upended him & his radius is now broken. Fortunately the LB driver left plenty of room to stop in time.
    Have sent him the Spokes info on reporting, including X-ray of fracture.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  7. Tulyar

    The more detail we can get on how control was lost the better.

    The red paint at Haymarket invites a hazardous style of crossing the rails - and turning at the same time, whilst also travelling slowly.

    Safest crossing for all but a really shallow angle, is to set up for crossing the rails without turning in a clean straight line, at a steady speed, and with both hands on the handlebars holding securely but not locked in a vise grip. This usually requires taking the lane from Morrison Street lights

    Posted 1 week ago #
  8. wingpig

    The right-hand lane from Morrison St has recently been hatched-out, making it slightly easier to keep the lane.

    Posted 1 week ago #

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