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"Calls to restrict cycling on Portobello promenade"

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  • Started 7 years ago by chdot
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  1. crowriver
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    @unhurt, "This doesn't suggest increasing numbers of dogs."

    It's the existing population of dogs, especially those in urban built-up areas, that is the problem. Or rather, I should say, the behaviour of a sizeable minority of dog owners in such areas.

    My anecdata tells me that, at least in the Easter Road/Hillside areas, there appear to be more dogs than when I moved to the area a couple of decades ago. There may be a correlation here with the phenomenon noted in that link - "smaller breeds of dogs have become more popular."

    Live in a tiny flat? Can't keep a big dog, impractical (though some do it seems). How about a small dog? No problem, hardly any more bother than a cat. Except for the walks for "exercise". Where is fido going to do that "exercise"? On the street, among the parked cars? Maybe. In the back green? Hm, better not, the neighbours might see. Where then? The park, of course! But a sign says "NO DOGS". How unfair, the "clowncil" are waging a war against otherwise law abiding dog owners! Those busybodies really shouldn't interfere with my fido's right to roam! Oh well, just slip in after dark, nobody will notice until tomorrow when the evidence of the "exercise" sits resplendent on the grass or footpath...

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  2. acsimpson
    Member

    Your anecdata seems to conflict with a suggestion that more people are driving to walk their dogs (also anecdata)? However I suspect that the later may just be because drivers are generally less responsible for where they abandon their vehicles and so it appears that there are more of them.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. minus six
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    the thing that impresses me about dogs is their enduring ability to celebrate just being a dog.

    its like they wake up each morning and cannot quite believe their good fortune continues.

    "i'm a dog!" "i'm still a dog!"

    they are happy to regard us as pack leader out of convenience but on the quiet they feel quite sorry for us, and regard us as being a wee bit retarded overall.

    we can't run on all fours, have no tail to wag and lack a keen olfactory sensibility.

    never had one around the house personally, but thinking about it.

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  4. crowriver
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    @acsimpson, "Your anecdata seems to conflict with a suggestion that more people are driving to walk their dogs (also anecdata)?"

    No, this other anecdata supports my anecdatal findings: i.e. more dogs in flats leads to more dog eggs in city parks; and more drives to take fido for a walk on the beach, prom, farmer's fields, Pentlands, etc. For the same reason: "Where am I going to "exercise" fido around here?"

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  5. gembo
    Member

    @bax my niece’s Labrador (looked after by my sister and my mum) has been wagging that fecking tail hard for 12 years. Kind of going downhill now. Will also eat anything. My old boy used to pretend he hated her and not let her in the house but secretly loved her except that time she knocked him over (he was six foot three).

    When we lived in Thistle Street we had a key for the Queen Street Gardens we chose the particular garden as it said No Dog owners could apply. We foolishly thought that meant it was the garden without dogs when in fact it was the garden that had reached the max number of dogs. So you did have to watch where you sat. THere was a tiny kiddies play park fenced off but it was Shan.

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  6. neddie
    Member

    there appear to be more dogs than when I moved to the area a couple of decades ago

    Combined with the fact there are now paid-dog-walkers, enabling people to keep dogs who wouldn't normally be able to.

    E.g. Working couples out at work all day would not normally have been able to leave an unattended dog at home all day. Now you can get someone to do all the tiresome stuff for you...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    "paid-dog-walkers"

    Indeed, the scourge of the "shared use" path network! Especially the Restalrig path* where the aforementioned freelance service industry operatives can be witnessed with up to a dozen fidos attached to multi-headed hydra leads, taking up the entire width of the path so that nary another human bean may pass by thereof, let alone a velocipede.

    Such is the extent of service industry quasi-privatisation of public rights of way in recent years, that I must confess, I prefer to take my chances among the thronging furious drivers of horseless carriages on Ye Olde Londone Roade, rather than happen upon such a vision of Hell on Earth. (Perchance I may exaggerate somewhat, but I pray dear reader, indulge an old forum poster's flight of fancy).

    * - Doubtless referred to in other social circles as "Dog Walker's Pend".

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. minus six
    Member

    you've cracked open the courvoisier, haven't you @crowriver

    so soon in the evening

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  9. gembo
    Member

    I know paid dog walkers that only walk one or two at a time

    They have been out of action up the Hunters Bog until very recently

    I have also spotted liveried vans in S Lanark’s and W Lothian who appear to have continued to operate all through lockdown - Hazel’s hounds and Marion’s Mutts

    I have however also seen the walker near St marks Park with 6 or more dogs - used to be a path that was not paved that was favoured but think it did then get paved. Sad to say that walker was a bit of a nusiance

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  10. crowriver
    Member

    @bax, alas only full strength black tea to hand at the moment (no milk or sugar thanks). Perhaps some lingering psychological after effect of lockdown stirs these colourful word strings from their slumber...

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  11. unhurt
    Member

    @bax exactly. A general joy in Being. Though I'm pretty fond of tired, grumpy old dogs that would like to sleep more thanks.

    @crowriver - I was just pointing out that your anecdata on dogs ownership contradicts a statistic in an article that you linked to. But you both say there are no more dogs / more dogs isn't the problem / but then that you think actually maybe there are more...

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  12. unhurt
    Member

    @gembo I think socially distanced handovers at bottom of driveway / stair were presumably possible. @sheeptoucher walked someone's dog for them when they were in self-isolation - though there was no petting as "a dog is a SURFACE".

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @bax

    I am keen to have your thoughts on cats. I found it impossible not to love The King despite him basically swinging between ketamine coma and PCP murder spree.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. Greenroofer
    Member

    Not a huge dog enthusiast, I must confess, but to @bax's comment above, one of my favourite Larson cartoons was of one dog saying to another as their dinner was spooned out of the tin "Oh wow, it's dog food AGAIN!". One does have to admire their enthusiasm for things.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. wingpig
    Member

    A former colleague bought a phone-operated remote spy robot to stop his dog eating the kitchen table legs back in the house whilst he was at work. I think it still had a walker to walk it a few days a week as well.

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  16. unhurt
    Member

    Wait, how did that stop the dog eating the table? Did he send the robot to intercept it?

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  17. crowriver
    Member

    "anecdata on dogs ownership contradicts a statistic"

    A STATISTIC, you say?

    Have those clipboard wielding data manipulators ever strayed into the environs of Montgomery Street Park? I daresay they have not.

    Perhaps they still cling to a fondly remembered, nostalgic image of stout Tory matrons, ruddy complexions swaddled in floral headscarves, marching their green wellies along quiet Home Counties lanes, docile golden retrievers padding amiably behind them.

    Whereas the reality on the windswept streets of Embra might be 'roid raging fitness instructors in tracksuits and designer trainers, struggling to control a couple of staffy / pit bull cross-breeds at the edge of the kiddies' play area. But no need to worry, they're "just being friendly". Further along the park path, an itinerant freelance dog service worker is "looking after" an assortment of hounds while their owners toil in nearby tattoo parlours and nail bars.

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  18. unhurt
    Member

    Um. No classist stereotypes there at all.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. crowriver
    Member

    "Hecate was the Greek goddess of boundaries, the underworld & later of witchcraft. Hecate was represented as three-formed or triple-bodied. The last known Cult which worshipped Hecate was in 1929. It regularly practiced dog sacrifice."

    https://twitter.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1288552703627599873

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  20. minus six
    Member

    I am keen to have your thoughts on cats

    they have a kirlian psychic vision, always know if you've taken psychedelics and waste no time in making you aware that they are decidedly unimpressed by it

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. fimm
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  22. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Dog: wags tail furiously, tears up and down while shouting, full of joy!
    Cat: sits and stares disapprovingly, one eyebrow raised to emphasise the situation.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. Stickman
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  24. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Arellcat

    I never got the impression The King disapproved of anything as such. Curiosity and bafflement abounded. There was also joy in the oddest things. He would return from miles away if he got wind of the washing being hung out.

    The oddest thing he ever did was during laser play. Cats as you know can be driven wild by laser pointers. He slammed one paw down on the dot only to have the dot resurface. Slams paw two on top of paw one and of course the dot appears there too. Cat turns and looks at me judgmentally. I do not know what the judgement was. That the game was crooked and so was I? I do not know.

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  25. neddie
    Member

    Our neighbour's big shaggy dog is absolutely petrified of cats.

    You can see its pace quicken passing our front garden, cat or no cat present.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. wingpig
    Member

    @iwrats Did you ever perform a test in a dusty or misty atmosphere, with enough scattering of the beam to allow it to be seen?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @wingpig

    Clearly you've never been to our house. Our aim is to breed a dust mite the size of a land crab.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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