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LEZs

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  1. PS
    Member

    Another good thing in the Scottish Government's announcements yesterday was the introduction of Low Emission Zones, which should mean that anything but the cleanest vehicles will have to pay £££ to enter these areas. I would hope that will stimulate some real change in the city centre.

    Does anyone know the extent of the proposed Edinburgh LEZ?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    That would be a good thing to know. I hope it's not just New Town to the Meadows plus West End (i.e.. City Centre wards).

    Would be better setting cordon out in the suburbs somewhere, make the majority of the city an LEZ.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  3. newtoit
    Member

    I'd set it around the line of the Southern Sub to the south/west, the NEPN to the north/West, the A1 to the east, and Lochend road. In the south push it out to Cameron Toll/KB/Blackford.

    I'd probably have a similar boundary for congestion charging.

    Whole lot could go further west to ensure the likes of Roseburn are captured - just couldn't come up with a suitable )concise) boundary line!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  4. Harts Cyclery
    Member

  5. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    Add Corstorphine as well.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  6. ih
    Member

    I would make everywhere within the bypass an LEZ (extended to include Cramond and Portobello, West and East respectively).

    Posted 2 months ago #
  7. LivD
    Member

    How does it work if you live within the zone and your vehicle isn't compliant?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    "How does it work if you live within the zone and your vehicle isn't compliant?"

    Put on bricks and use as a hen house(?)

    Posted 2 months ago #
  9. Harts Cyclery
    Member

    You need to buy a new car. Or get rid of it altogether...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    From above link -

    "

    First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said today the first LEZ would be announced shortly as she launched a £60 million fund to accelerate electric vehicle charging and battery technology. She said air pollution in some areas of Glasgow were "really bad".

    "

    Posted 2 months ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    "Put on bricks and use as a hen house(?)"

    Okay, chdot wins CCE today. Chortle.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  12. Klaxon
    Member

    The London LEZ applies to commercial vehicles only. Not sure what's proposed here.

    It is most straightforward if built at the bypass due to the limited entry points to the zone

    Posted 2 months ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    It's going to be Glesca first off the blocks it seems, so rest easy Edinburgh polluting vehicle owners.

    I agree the Bypass would be a convenient cordon point. Probably use the A90 as the entry point northwest, and Portobello/Brunstane to the north east.

    We shall see though...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  14. LivD
    Member

    So you honestly think that anyone will approve a measure that means that thousands of vehicles become a millstone just by sitting at home? I think the boundary is much more likely to be something like the inside of queen St/Bridges/Lothian Rd/Royal Mile.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  15. Frenchy
    Member

    @LivD - You're undoubtedly right. It might expand later, but there's no way the government is approving a zone which contains tens of thousands of affected vehicles.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  16. gibbo
    Member

    @LivD

    So you honestly think that anyone will approve a measure that means that thousands of vehicles become a millstone just by sitting at home?

    No. I expect it's going to be toothless.

    Look at the ban on diesels. Won't happen for 15 years.

    Yesterday was the "big promise" phase. Now that's over, we're entering the "kick the can down the road" phase.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    "I think the boundary is much more likely to be something like the inside of queen St/Bridges/Lothian Rd/Royal Mile."

    However that will not address many of the pollution black spots such as Corstorphine Road, Salamander Street, London Road, Haymarket, etc.

    "Yesterday was the "big promise" phase. Now that's over, we're entering the "kick the can down the road" phase."

    Or maybe the "populist media backlash" phase. Shortly followed by the "kick the can down the road" phase and/or the "u-turn" phase.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  18. crowriver
    Member

    Just a reminder of where the main pollution black spots are (click image to see full thing):

    Posted 2 months ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Motorists face being hit with £20 a day fines to drive in the city centre unless their vehicles have the cleanest engines under plans for the first low emission zone in the Capital.

    The zones, which would operate round the clock and be enforced using cameras recording vehicle number plates, could be introduced in the city by 2020 and would affect most diesel cars on the road today. Glasgow city centre is expected to be established as the first zone by the end of next year with areas of Edinburgh,

    Aberdeen and Dundee to follow two years later. While the exact location of the city centre is not yet known, the charge would be ten times the £2 a day congestion charge proposed for Edinburgh 15 years ago which planned a zone around the city centre stretching from Stockbridge to Newington.

    There could be exemptions for blue badge holders, emergency vehicles, bin lorries, and night shift workers when no public transport was available.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/motorists-face-20-pollution-charge-to-drive-in-edinburgh-by-2020-1-4553053

    Posted 2 months ago #
  20. PS
    Member

    As ever, there's a consultation.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  21. wangi
    Member

    crowriver, do you have the data behind that map? Would be good to also see the sampling locations.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  22. the canuck
    Member

    The part of me that re-jigged my cycle to work to avoid air pollution on Lothian Rd thinks this is a great plan.

    The part of me that lives with the owner of a diesel vehicle (purchased when they were the good-guys) is dreading this change.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  23. the canuck
    Member

    Yes, on that map, a 'public transport only' bit of Princes St seems to be a hot spot. Would that have something to do with topography? (I don't know the city well enough to recognise traffic patterns in other areas)

    Posted 2 months ago #
  24. nedd1e_h
    Member

    Interesting there is an emissions hotspot near Fountainpark. Is that where the exhaust fumes from the vast underground car park vent, combined with drivers accelerating along the short 40mph section of the Western Approach Rd, I wonder...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  25. amir
    Member

    I'd be a bit careful about interpreting the map. I presume the sampling points are well scattered - unless it's based on continuous recording from mobile samplers (eg Plume?). Also I expect this changes over time.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  26. Tulyar
    Member

    For freight there are some interesting examples of consolidation depots. Cambridge and Southampton in UK were featured in recent Freight in the City (plug) which almost came to Glasgow last year.

    Cambridge = Outspoken Delivery (cycles) takes 70% of parcel traffic delivered in central city area by cycles from a transfer warehouse outside city (Outspoken has a franchise operating in Glasgow)

    Southampton - Meachers has a transfer depot on mainland, and reduces truck count crossing on ferry by 67%, as well as as using LEV's to pass through Southampton LEV zone to reach ferry pier

    Posted 2 months ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    @wangi, here's the article I took it from:

    https://scot.okfn.org/2015/06/11/getting-the-measure-of-scotlands-air-pollution-problem/

    Apparently it's a "GIS heat map of Edinburgh’s air pollution using council data".

    Posted 2 months ago #
  28. wangi
    Member

    Thanks; data is at http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20237/pollution/314/local_air_quality_management along with locations of the "tubes".

    Posted 2 months ago #
  29. jdanielp
    Member

    It would be good if SG was also putting some pressure on the offending vehicle manufacturers to offer to buy back or part-exchange the diesel vehicles that were miss-sold as being environmentally friendly so owners in LEZs and elsewhere are not hit with the full cost of change.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Ministers want to introduce a first low emission zone (LEZ), probably in Glasgow, as early as the end of next year, from which vehicles with all but the cleanest engines could be banned.

    Motoring groups estimated on Wednesday, when the measure was announced, that it could affect three-quarters of diesel cars and one in six petrol engines.

    In fact, I was then reminded of research by Leeds University this year which showed that as many as half of all current cars potentially face being banned from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee, where LEZs are due to be established by 2020.

    That’s more than 80,000 in each of the two largest cities alone - and some two-thirds of their taxis fleets are also non-compliant.

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/alastair-dalton-tough-vehicle-restrictions-better-for-all-1-4553990/amp

    Posted 2 months ago #

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