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  1. minus six
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  2. I were right about that saddle
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    Being a Human Being
    Tom Leonard

    not to be complicit
    not to accept everyone else is silent it must be alright

    not to keep one’s mouth shut to hold onto one’s job
    not to accept public language as cover and decoy

    not to put friends and family before the rest of the world
    not to say I am wrong when you know the government is wrong

    not to be just a bought behaviour pattern
    to accept the moment and fact of choice

    I am a human being
    and I exist

    a human being
    and a citizen of the world

    responsible to that world
    —and responsible for that world

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. gembo
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    Tom, what a man. Quite a fiery drunk after a couple of sherbets. Not as good at holding his drink as Jim Kelman but not as bad as Alasdair Gray when pished.

    Tom could annihilate his audience with invective and we loved him.

    I was having a quiet drink with my pal Carmel Gilligan from Ballinasloe in the Vicky BarGlasgow in the previous century when Tom and his acolyte took exception to my stripey shirt. The acolyte starts in on me so i recited a very obscure sound poem that Tom wrote called My Name Is Tom that only the acolyte and I had ever read. Tom turns to Gilly but she only had to speak in her west Ireland drawl and Tom was a puppy who immediately recited The Winding Sheet by James Clarence Mangan ( pauper poet from 19th century Ireland).

    An enjoyable evening ensued.

    Part of my youth has now gone. Actually quite emotional. I guess this will go on.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. gembo
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    Oops, not like me to tell the same story twice.

    Efturryd geenuz iz speel
    Iboot whit wiz right
    Nwhut wiz rang
    Boot this nthat
    Nthi Nix thing

    A sayzty thi bloke
    Nwhut Izzit Yi caw
    Yir Joab Jimmy

    Am a liaison co-ordinator
    Hi sayz oh good ah sayz
    A liaison co-ordinator

    Jist whut this erria needs
    Whut way aw thi unimploymint
    Inaw thi bevvyin
    Nthi boayz runnin amock
    Nthi hoosis Fawnty bits
    Nthi wummin n tranquilisers
    It last thiv sent us
    A liaison co-ordinator

    Sumdy Wia degree
    In f@&£ knows whut
    Getn peyd fur no known
    Whit the f@&£ ti day way it

    Predictive text did not like

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. unhurt
    Member

    Another poet gone - Donald Campbell. Anyway, this seemed forum-adjacent:

    Betrayal in Morninside

    Embro my ain, ye are aye meant
    tae be a city o middle-class douceness
    blue-nosed mediocrity
    bourgeois obtuseness

    but
    (listen tae what I’m tellin ye!)
    The ither nicht
    in the Morninside chippie
    I was confrontit by nae fewer than ten
    o the reuchest and the teuchest
    o yer haurdest-haurd haurd men
    – and (O Gode!) hou I wished I was in Glasgow!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. unhurt
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    Discovering a poet I have never read who has just died is always a weird one - Australia's Les Murray. Clearly something to rectify because this is glorious!

    THE DREAM OF WEARING SHORTS FOREVER

    by Les Murray

    To go home and wear shorts forever
    in the enormous paddocks, in that warm climate,
    adding a sweater when winter soaks the grass,
    to camp out along the river bends
    for good, wearing shorts, with a pocketknife,
    a fishing line and matches,

    or there where the hills are all down, below the plain,
    to sit around in shorts at evening
    on the plank verandah -

    If the cardinal points of costume
    are Robes, Tat, Rig and Scunge,
    where are shorts in this compass?

    They are never Robes
    as other bareleg outfits have been:
    the toga, the kilt, the lava-lava
    the Mahatma's cotton dhoti;

    archbishops and field marshals
    at their ceremonies never wear shorts.
    The very word
    means underpants in North America.

    Shorts can be Tat,
    Land-Rovering bush-environmental tat,
    socio-political ripped-and-metal-stapled tat,
    solidarity-with-the-Third World tat tvam asi,

    likewise track-and-field shorts worn to parties
    and the further humid, modelling negligee
    of the Kingdom of Flaunt,
    that unchallenged aristocracy.

    More plainly climatic, shorts
    are farmers' rig, leathery with salt and bonemeal;
    are sailors' and branch bankers' rig,
    the crisp golfing style
    of our youngest male National Costume.

    Most loosely, they are Scunge,
    ancient Bengal bloomers or moth-eaten hot pants
    worn with a former shirt,
    feet, beach sand, hair
    and a paucity of signals.

    Scunge, which is real negligee
    housework in a swimsuit, pyjamas worn all day,
    is holiday, is freedom from ambition.
    Scunge makes you invisible
    to the world and yourself.

    The entropy of costume,
    scunge can get you conquered by more vigorous cultures
    and help you notice it less.

    To be or to become
    is a serious question posed by a work-shorts counter
    with its pressed stack, bulk khaki and blue,
    reading Yakka or King Gee, crisp with steely warehouse odour.

    Satisfied ambition, defeat, true unconcern,
    the wish and the knack of self-forgetfulness
    all fall within the scunge ambit
    wearing board shorts of similar;
    it is a kind of weightlessness.

    Unlike public nakedness, which in Westerners
    is deeply circumstantial, relaxed as exam time,
    artless and equal as the corsetry of a hussar regiment,

    shorts and their plain like
    are an angelic nudity,
    spirituality with pockets!
    A double updraft as you drop from branch to pool!

    Ideal for getting served last
    in shops of the temperate zone
    they are also ideal for going home, into space,
    into time, to farm the mind's Sabine acres
    for product and subsistence.

    Now that everyone who yearned to wear long pants
    has essentially achieved them,
    long pants, which have themselves been underwear
    repeatedly, and underground more than once,
    it is time perhaps to cherish the culture of shorts,

    to moderate grim vigour
    with the knobble of bare knees,
    to cool bareknuckle feet in inland water,
    slapping flies with a book on solar wind
    or a patient bare hand, beneath the cadjiput trees,

    to be walking meditatively
    among green timber, through the grassy forest
    towards a calm sea
    and looking across to more of that great island
    and the further tropics.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. gembo
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    He was a big guy. Scottish connections I think, saw him on stage and in audiences back in the day.

    If Walcott is still with us that leaves him on his own as greatest living poet in English Language.

    If Walcott gone then it is Muldoon

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. Rosie
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    Something very antipodean about Murray. He conjures up utes and verandas and scrubby coarse grass.

    The Quality of Sprawl

    Sprawl is the quality
    of the man who cut down his Rolls-Royce
    into a farm utility truck, and sprawl
    is what the company lacked when it made repeated efforts
    to buy the vehicle back and repair its image.

    Sprawl is doing your farming by aeroplane, roughly,
    or driving a hitchhiker that extra hundred miles home.
    It is the rococo of being your own still centre.
    It is never lighting cigars with ten-dollar notes:
    that’s idiot ostentation and murder of starving people.
    Nor can it be bought with the ash of million-dollar deeds.

    Sprawl lengthens the legs; it trains greyhounds on liver and beer.
    Sprawl almost never says Why not? With palms comically raised
    nor can it be dressed for, not even in running shoes worn
    with mink and a nose ring. That is Society. That’s Style.
    Sprawl is more like the thirteenth banana in a dozen
    or anyway the fourteenth.

    Sprawl is Hank Stamper in Never Give an Inch
    bisecting an obstructive official’s desk with a chainsaw.
    Not harming the official. Sprawl is never brutal
    though it’s often intransigent. Sprawl is never Simon de Montfort
    at a town-storming: Kill them all! God will know his own.
    Knowing the man’s name this was said to might be sprawl.

    Sprawl occurs in art. The fifteenth to twenty-first
    lines in a sonnet, for example. And in certain paintings;
    I have sprawl enough to have forgotton which paintings.
    Turner’s glorious Burning of the Houses of Parliament
    comes to mind, a doubling bannered triumph of sprawl –
    except, he didn’t fire them.

    Sprawl gets up the nose of many kinds of people
    (every kind that comes in kinds) whose futures don’t include it.
    some decry it as criminal presumption, silken-robed Pope Alexander
    dividing the new world between Spain and Portugal.
    If he smiled in petto afterwards, perhaps the thing did have sprawl.

    Sprawl is really classless, though. It’s John Christopher Frederick Murray
    asleep in his neighbours‘ best bed in spurs and oilskins
    but not having thrown up:
    sprawl is never Calum who, drunk, along the hallways of our House,
    reinvented the Festoon. Rather
    it’s Beatrice Miles going twelve hundred ditto in a taxi,
    No Lewd Advances, No Hitting Animals, No Speeding,
    on the proceeds of her two-bob-a-sonnet Shakespeare readings.
    An image of my country. And would that it were more so.

    No, sprawl is full-gloss murals on a council-house wall.
    Sprawl leans on things. It is loose-limbed in its mind.
    Reprimanded and dismissed
    it listens with a grin and one boot up on the rail
    of possibility. It may have to leave the Earth.
    Being roughly Christian, it scratches the other cheek
    and thinks it unlikely. Though people have been shot for sprawl.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. Rosie
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    The Broad Bean Sermon

    Beanstalks, in any breeze, are a slack church parade
    without belief, saying trespass against us in unison,
    recruits in mint Air Force dacron, with unbuttoned leaves.

    Upright with water like men, square in stem-section
    they grow to great lengths, drink rain, keel over all ways,
    kink down and grow up afresh, with proffered new greenstuff.

    Above the cat-and-mouse floor of a thin bean forest
    snails hang rapt in their food, ants hurry through several dimensions:
    spiders tense and sag like little black flags in their cordage.

    Going out to pick beans with the sun high as fence-tops, you find
    plenty, and fetch them. An hour or a cloud later
    you find shirtfulls more. At every hour of daylight

    appear more than you missed: ripe, knobbly ones, freshy-sided,
    thin-straight, thin-crescent, frown-shaped, bird-shouldered, boat-keeled ones,
    beans knuckled and single-bulged, minute green dolphins at suck,

    beans upright like lecturing, outstretched like blessing fingers
    in the incident light, and more still, oblique to your notice
    that the noon glare or cloud-light or afternoon slants will uncover

    till you ask yourself Could I have overlooked so many, or
    do they form in an hour? unfolding into reality
    like templates for subtly broad grins, like unique caught expressions,

    like edible meanings, each sealed around with a string
    and affixed to its moment, an unceasing colloquial assembly,
    the portly, the stiff, anf those lolling in pointed green slippers ...

    Wondering who’ll take the spare bagfulls, you grin with happiness
    – it is your health – you vow to pick them all
    even the last few, weeks off yet, misshapen as toes.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  10. gembo
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    Heard him doing sprawl back in the day

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. Rosie
    Member

    His voice on Front Row just now reading Shorts.

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  12. gembo
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    Walcott dead. He was knighted and won Nobel.

    Les more republican outsider so would I presume turn down knighthood. Was mentioned for Nobel.

    Means Muldoon has it.

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  13. I were right about that saddle
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    I used to work with a guy who flatly declared that he knew which was the best painting in the world and I used to wonder where such confidence could come from in one human life.

    I think we should have a CCE poetry thread this summer. New works tangentially themed on bicycles. No secret that @gembo is a poet of some renown. We must have others.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  14. unhurt
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    Verse versus verse? She
    who lays down with fleas
    may be bit by doggerel.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. gembo
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    I saw Paul Muldoon for free in Golden Hare plus free coffee and free croissant plus Paul read some Johnny Cash too.

    Top trump that

    Las Meninas is the best painting BTW. F'Godssakes Foucault write an entire book about it.

    The Best Poetry Garden is Little Sparta at Dunsyre. Don't be fooled by ones that only open once a year down Dumfries way even if they use the word Cosmic

    THe scene in Gregory's Girl where they lie down to dance and Forsyth swings the camera vertical but they don't fall off is one of the sweetest scenes in cinema.

    In Cumbernauld related mirth, the photoshop of David Bowie in the Cumbernauld shopping centre (see our own David Bowie thread) is the greatest photoshop ever.

    All of this can easily be revised over beer. This is what loosens relativists up and allows them to be absolute empiricists (beer)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. Rosie
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    Is the Cosmic one really a "poetry garden"?

    (Really chuffed I have managed to see that one.)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. unhurt
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    HIGH TREASON
    By José Emilio Pacheco

    I do not love my country. Its abstract splendor
    is beyond my grasp.
    But (although it sounds bad) I would give my life
    for ten places in it, for certain people,
    seaports, pinewoods, fortresses,
    a run-down city, gray, grotesque,
    various figures from its history
    mountains
    (and three or four rivers).

    Posted 5 years ago #
  18. I were right about that saddle
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    Stumbled on this looking for other stuff. Oor ain dear Robert Ferguson's On Seeing a Butterfly in the Street.

    Daft gowk, in macaroni dress
    Are ye come here to shaw your face,
    Bowden wi' pride o' simmer gloss,
    To cast a dash at Reikie's cross;
    An glowr at mony a twa-legg'd creature,
    Flees, braw by art, tho' worms by nature?

    My first crime thriller will be called 'Worms by Nature'.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Daft gowk, in macaroni dress

    Interesting. This must be the same use of macaroni as in Yankee Doodle – stylish, fashionable, indeed proto-dandyish, from the well travelled men in the 18th c. who extravagantly imitated continental fashions and culinary tastes, and thus were said to belong (or possibly claimed membership of) 'the Macaroni Club'. Macaroni were originally small Italian dumplings but later became the name for tubular pasta.

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  20. I were right about that saddle
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    Edwin Morgan, The Coin

    We brushed the dirt off, held it to the light.
    The obverse showed us Scotland, and the head
    of a red deer; the antler-glint had fled
    but the fine cut could still be felt. All right:
    we turned it over, read easily One Pound,
    but then the shock of Latin, like a gloss,
    Respublica Scotorum, sent across
    such ages as we guessed but never found
    at the worn edge where once the date had been
    and where as many fingers had gripped hard
    as hopes their silent race had lost or gained.
    The marshy scurf crept up to our machine,
    sucked at our boots. Yet nothing seemed ill-starred.
    And least of all the realm the coin contained.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. minus six
    Member

    i hear no sound in your house
    silence in the empty rooms

    i drown at night in your house
    pretending to swim, pretending to swim
    in your house

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  22. unhurt
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    From a colleague:

    Map-based haiku generator!

    https://satellitestud.io/osm-haiku/app/#17/55.94097/-3.17936

    And an explanation of how https://satellitestud.io/blog/post/openstreetmap-haiku/

    ETA aw, doesn't seem to work away from Edinburgh and gets a bit repetitive after a while. Still!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Auto-haiku for our house;

    Feeling good in City of Edinburgh
    Blades of grass
    Flies and maggots

    Clearly spring is here and clearly I didn't bury my last victim deep enough.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. fimm
    Member

    @IWRATS would you and Madame IWRATS (or anyone else who is bilingual enough) be interested in (I quote) "a bilingual English/French show around the delightful poetry of Jacques Prevert and Boris Vian" entitled "Si les poetes etaient moins betes (if poets were less stupid)"?
    (Apologies for the complete lack of accents in that.)

    It is being done by a French acquaintance & her friends and that's really all I know.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Boris Vian is the author of J'irai cracher sur vos tombes, 'I Spit On Your Grave'.

    But aye, potentially. Where and when?

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  26. fimm
    Member

    I don't know. "Two weeks time" says her facebook post. I saw it and thought of you, to coin a phrase.

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  27. JELBERENCE
    Member

    THEY GATHER

    Where crowds most densely cluster
    Their freedom sought in droves
    The price of their attendance
    Greater than they may suppose

    By heat and light, they gather
    Drawn to meet again
    To experience together
    What they should, alone, contain

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. gembo
    Member

    Nice metre

    Did the I will spit on your grave event get Covidded?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. unhurt
    Member

    Wild Geese

    You do not have to be good.

    You do not have to walk on your knees

    for a hundred miles through the desert, repenting.

    You only have to let the soft animal of your body

    love what it loves.

    Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine.

    Meanwhile the world goes on.

    Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain

    are moving across the landscapes,

    over the prairies and the deep trees,

    the mountains and the rivers.

    Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air,

    are heading home again.

    Whoever you are, no matter how lonely,

    the world offers itself to your imagination,

    calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting—

    over and over announcing your place

    in the family of things.

    - Mary Oliver

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    This has moved me.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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