"Move to Milton Kenes"
Which has a fully segregated off road network of shared use paths covering the entire city...
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The Sustrans proposals for Picardy Place/Leith Street
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"Move to Milton Kenes"
Which has a fully segregated off road network of shared use paths covering the entire city... "
...soon to be shared with autonomous pods with no drivers...
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Having reflected on this, a possible lesson to draw from it: All of the campaigning we did; collation of data and documents, writing of letters, sending of tweets and everything else was entirely ineffectual. If anything we've made things worse by foregoing the revenue from the building.
So we'll need to do something else next time.
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was entirely ineffectual
not necessarily... I try to return to this when frustrated:
"[Hope is] the belief that what we do matters even though how and when it may matter, who and what it may impact, are not things we can know beforehand. We may not, in fact, know them afterward either, but they matter all the same" - Rebecca Solnit, Hope in the Dark
So we'll need to do something else next time.
But also yes! (As well.)
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"Hope is like the sun. If you only believe in it when you see it, you'll never make it through the night."
Spoken by Laura Dern/Oscar Isaac, with their characters quoting Carrie Fisher's character, so possibly technically ultimately attributable to Rian Johnson or whoever did the scripts.
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EEN take on things:
‘Mini-motorway’ at top of Leith Walk gets go ahead
Broughton Spurtle reports on Council committee meeting:
OH JOY, IT'S A GYRATORY
http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/oh-joy-its-gyratory
Edinburgh Reporter takes a measured, hopeful tone in its report:
Picardy Place decision is not the final word
http://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2018/01/picardy-place-decision-is-not-the-final-word/
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"What do we need to do now?"
Option B:
- continue objecting to TROs, RSOs for Leith Street. Pressure may result in improvements to the scheme proposed.
- presumably TROs, RSOs will be issued for Picardy Place in due course, these can also be objected to.
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I see the EEN have tarred it as all the work of Spokes. Living Streets & Cockburn Association (both against it) didn’t even get a mention
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Cllr Child said Picardy Place would be a pleasanter place under the proposals, and its principle purpose as a through-route would be improved.
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http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/oh-joy-its-gyratory
Really, all hope is lost.
She used to be a Spokes member.
Probably still is.
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"presumably TROs, RSOs will be issued for Picardy Place in due course, these can also be objected to"
Wouldn't count on it, some of it will be covered by previous permissions.
Other bits might be 'forgotten' about.
I just hope some of the worthy organisations who came late to the protest party are going to put forward funds to start some legal challenges...
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There is also a requirement for the full council to approve the additional cost of £1.5 million which they will be asked to do next week.
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http://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2018/01/picardy-place-decision-is-not-the-final-word/
What is the extra money for?!
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More from previous link -
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Paul Lawrence who is the council’s Director of Place said that the contract (the Growth Accelerator Model or GAM) which governs the funding of Edinburgh St James is simply that, a contract. It would mean renegotiating terms of it if the gyratory model was to be scrapped. But he said there is nothing complicated about it. It is just a contract among three parties.
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So what's so difficult about doing then???
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Previously we had been told that any amendment to the terms of the GAM might involve the council in up to £20 million of extra costs. It appears that might not be the case, although no figures were mentioned today.
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Another big lie then.
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Lawrence said : “It has always been the case that there are lots of competing issues, but we have two objectives. We want all the various modes of transport to be able to operate effectively and efficiently in line with the council’s Active Travel policy and to ensure more people use public transport.”
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There are so many weasielly wishful-thoughts and impossible contradictions there.
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@chdot extra £1,500,000.00 because of there being no proceeds from selling the middle bit (which isn't all theirs to sell) any more?
Should put some council chambers on it. See how they like it.Posted 6 years ago # -
I would suspect changes to the will-have-been-agreed-and-signed-off-in-secret traffic signals design will form a significant amount of that cost
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Maybe time to surcharge the Cllrs who agreed to the deal...
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GAM seems to me like a very nefarious way for the Scottish Government to fund "local" public works in a way that suits big business - transferring 100% of the risk of to a local council that has been chronically defunded and thus is extremely unlikely to rock the boat
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Anyone know which way Cllr Scott Arthur voted?
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Labour Councillor Maureen Child replaced Councillor Scott Arthur at today’s meeting and voted with the administration. We do not imagine he would have voted for the gyratory model as he has already been fairly vocal about what he thinks.
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http://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2018/01/picardy-place-decision-is-not-the-final-word/
He’ll be resigning soon. (Not)
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Labour Councillor Maureen Child replaced Councillor Scott Arthur
A big boy ran away and didn't do it.
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@neddie_h Good spot. STV coverage stresses the heritage groups:-
Edinburgh World Heritage and the Cockburn Association, along with local residents, united to press for the consideration of alternative designs that would better suit pedestrians, cyclists, tourists and parishioners who attend the nearby St Mary's RC Cathedral on Little King Street.
However, the council's transport and environment committee said the updated plans "incorporate a new landscaped public space for the island site" and are "much more pedestrian and cycling-friendly".
https://stv.tv/news/east-central/1406986-councillors-approve-controversial-revamp-of-junction/
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Is that a weasel? Looks too big
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Like the scones it's in extreme closeup.
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Forevergreen - also apposite.
"People used to dream about the future. They thought there was no limit to progress. They dreamed of a clean, bright future, where science would make everything possible, and everybody better off. But somewhere along the line that future got cancelled."
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Bravely bold Prof Arthur
Rode forth from Colinton.
He was not afraid to vote,
Oh brave Prof Arthur.
He was not at all afraid
To be mocked in nasty ways.
Brave, brave, brave, brave Prof Arthur.Posted 6 years ago # -
To the tune of The Policeman's Song:
If a person wants to get to their employment (their employment)
In a way which keeps their body exercised... (exercised)
They must suffer infrastructural deployment (ral deployment)
Hugely skewed to traffic fast and motorised (motorised)Cycle lanes are oft just paint thrown in the gutter (in the gutter)
The green men seldom linger for the slow (for the slow)
Ambulation ought not set our hearts a-flutter (hearts a-flutter)
We're not a sacrifice to traffic flowwwwww... ohhhh...Congestion and pollution will just grow, will just grow,
When active travel's blocked by traffic flow.With pedestrians delayed at every junction (every junction)
On footways far too narrow and confined... (and confined)
Staggered crossings mock our streets' primary function (mary function)
Of the life and movement of all humankind (humankind)All the favouritism shown to thund'ring motors (thund'ring motors)
Make public streets an awful place to go (place to go)
Consider not just drivers but all voters (but all voters)
and sacrifice us not to traffic flowwwww... oohhhhhh...etc.
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@wingpig [applause]
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Report being presented to Council next week:
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The section under Equality is one to keep a close eye on re Picardy Place redevelopment:
"Impacts on equalities and rights have been considered through Equalities and Rights Impact Assessment (ERIA). This is process is ongoing throughout the implementation process to ensure that there are no infringement of rights and impacts on duties under the Act. No negative impacts are anticipated and it is expected that the scheme should improve conditions for vulnerable road users."
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