CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
IT’S TRUE!
CCE is 15years old!
Well done to ALL posters
It soon became useful and entertaining. There are regular posters, people who add useful info occasionally and plenty more who drop by to watch. That's fine. If you want to add news/comments it's easy to register and become a member.
RULES No personal insults. No swearing.
"they need to be able to drive everywhere"
With free bus passes for over 60s that's not true.
Maybe something more like:
"There are more old people, who sold up and moved out of the cities to the suburbs/dormitories/countryside, and they need regular bus services and park-and-ride facilities."
“they need regular bus services and park-and-ride facilities”
That’s a different sort of true!
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Work begins soon on the Picardy Place gyratory – approved by Edinburgh City Council's Transport Committee despite widespread opposition from community and heritage organisations.
This solution cannot be compatible with the Council's ambitious Local Transport Strategy targets to cut car commuting modal share from 42% to 29%, and all-trip car use from 43% to 31%. It is all the more tragic when the Council has in recent years achieved a continuing gradual decline in city centre traffic
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http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/pall-B130.pdf
Picardy Update: Sent out to "Stakeholders": (Spokes didn't get an "update" as such - we fed them our proposed improvements and are waiting to hear back. They had also been in touch with Picardy Residents and NTB CommunityCouncil)
Council Officers have been in contact with you recently to give you an update on progress of the detailed design for Picardy Place and these discussions will be ongoing over the course of the next few weeks.
In order to facilitate future works once the design is finalised, further enabling works will be undertaken from 5 March. An overview of the upcoming works are as follows:
Cabins outside Cathedral – all site cabins are now place in this location following THRE / Laing O’Rourke discussions with both the Cathedral and John Lewis. Services are to be installed over the next 1-2 weeks and we expect them to be fully occupied in 2 weeks time.
Rubber kerbs on Greenside Place – these are due to be removed on 10 March in order to provide some further flexibility for future traffic management phases including the removal of the roundabout and cones will be installed in their place.
Roundabout – the works to remove the existing roundabout is scheduled to commence on 5 March (weather permitting) and is expected to take 3 weeks to complete.
If you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to get in touch.
Paul Lawrence
Executive Director of Place
Leith St information forum
3pm 8th Mar
Neighbourhood information forum
5pm 8th Mar
Both held at Baillie Gifford
https://twitter.com/clairehimiller/status/960516907093897217
^^^ Tomorrow
I went to the Leith St Information Forum Thurs pm.
It wasn't an "open" meeting but the let an acquaintance and I stay. It's a bimonthly meeting with neighbouring businesses/landowners - John Lewis and The Playhouse were there and a few others. Hosted by TH Real Estate with presentations from contractors Laing O'Rourke, including the Senior Construction Manager and Leith Street Manager
The subsequent "Neighbourhood Info Meeting" is for the residents immediately adjacent to the site eg James Craig Walk.
There is apparently a fortnightly update newsletter - I used to receive but haven't updates for a while. There does seem to have been a fortnightly Construction update for the last 2 weeks.
Main talk was about construction with details of the works ("rock anchors" etc) that have been completed over the last 3 months and a look ahead to the next 6 months.
Also the "Latest News" from the Media Centre: [url=http://www.edinburghstjames.com/news/050318.html]Construction Underway
Leith St Works Programme hasn't been update since 16th August - we have had intermittent news.
Picardy Place Changes - not updated since September.
I did manage to glean the following:
Leith Street:
- Pavement outside Starbucks was opened up 2 weeks ago
- Calton Rd to Greenside pavement was opened today (Thursday), but cycleways not in use (I think as they don't link to anything). Temporary cycleway remains.
- Carriageway has started being replaced from the South end will be 300mm tarmac but top layer being left off till after construction.
- Greenside to Picardy pavement should be open by end March cyclists will need to share carriageway with motor traffic possibly signal controlled contraflow (there seem to be more stages than originally discussed)
- approx 10 weeks starting end March to construct pavement from Calton Road to Emma Roy (Bridal shop 31 Leith Street)
- Leith Street will be open for the Festival (from 28th July) - however it will not be finished and a lane at the South end will be retained "for safety reasons" until ESJ construction completion. I didn't get details of this - eg will the pavement be open on the West side, but interesting, as if they can "open" with one lane less, then why can't it stay that narrow and give us a cycleway on the East side after construction is complete???
Picardy Place:
- enabling works continue
- unlikely to start main works till (end?) May
- Playhouse are very concerned about having a "2 way segregated cycleway on their doorstep " and potential conflict with 3,000 people egressing from the building. It appears that there has been a change of management and that communication broke down. They also want to talk about loading space and a "holding place" should there be a fire evacuation.
I did manage a lengthy conversation with THRE afterwards about some of the related developments - Picardy, York Place, James Craig Walk. Maybe more on this in a wee while.
Having difficulty with my links - Latest News - should work this time
Might as well post here. A few pages ago I was wondering about pedestrian crossing times, so I asked a council officer.
At the Playhouse Theatre junction the maximum time you would wait to cross each half would be 20 seconds.
The longest you would wait to cross the road outside the Conan Doyle pub would be 37 seconds.
The longest time you may wait when crossing from The Street pub would be 91 seconds.
The stand-alone crossing at the Playhouse Theatre (both sides) has a green man period of 7 seconds followed by a flashing amber/flashing green man period of 8 seconds, followed by a further all red period of 2 seconds. This gives a total crossing time of 17 seconds.
The junction has four separate green man controlled crossings; York Place North side (phase E), York Place South side (phase H), Broughton Street (Phase F) and the diagonal crossing from the island on York Place across to Broughton Street (phase G).
Phase E has a green man period of 6 seconds followed by a safety period of 9 seconds, giving an effective crossing time of 15 seconds. Phase F has a green man period of 6 seconds followed by a safety period of 13 seconds, giving an effective crossing time of 19 seconds. Phase G has a green man period of 6 seconds followed by a safety period of 13 seconds, giving an effective crossing time of 19 seconds. Phase H has a green
man period of 6 seconds followed by a safety period of 7 seconds, giving an effective crossing time of 13 seconds.
No information on the crossing at Leith St (either the removed one or the temporary one), though.
Layout for cycling has changed (got less coherent) but the new cycle path is now visible from the road, though not 'open'. (Pedestrians using it right now.)
@dougal
That's one for future archaeologists, who will conclude that its function was 'likely ceremonial'.
Pétanque court for playing dogleg boules?
I have never heard of dogleg boules. Is it the dog's boules?
@IWRATS who gets sacrificed at this corner? It's cyclists isn't it? Hmm.
@dougal
I can certainly see a few bike-borne citizens getting smacked from behind as they merge with the automotive synchrotron beam emited by the gyratory.
Quite who's actually responsible for this mess remains of course a mystery. Last council, this council, Scottish government, the Gilded Turd? We just don't know.
@dougal - That "dropped kerb" at the approach to Greenside Row is where Northbound (non Calton Road) cyclists are expected to leave the cycleway. It leads into an ASZ.
Calton Road cyclists will continue via the shared space area on either side of Greenside Row to rejoin the segregated cycleway to Calton Road. Those that have stayed on as far as Calton Road will see another "dropped kerb" on the South side of the junction, where they can join the carriageway.
Northbound cyclists will use the carriageway on Leith Street and join the cycleways at Picardy Place (outside John Lewis)
Spokes will be confirming that it's objections remain despite these minor improvements.
Revised drawings are here
Original thread here
@McD
where Northbound (non Calton Road) cyclists are expected to leave the cycleway
I think you mean southbound, no?
Hey I've got an idea for a good use for Death Island in the centre of the Gyratory Of Doom.
Create a humungous bike parking zone. Loads of sheffield stands, so a sea of bikes can be parked there. Like they do in Europe, y'know? Then folk can use the segregated infrastructure, park their bikes, and proceed on foot to Broughton Street, Omni, Playhouse, John Lewis, etc. While avoiding new St James of course as there'd be a mass boycott in place until the Gyratory Of Doom is finally removed after the shopping centre management goes bust...
@McD
Dougal's photo is outside Baillie Gifford at Greenside Row
Your revised drawing set is further up at Starbucks
Nice bit of sign recycling -
Having walked that way on a number of occasions it's certainly more pleasant on foot than used to be the case. The footway is a bit wider, even without the cycle track. We'll have to see how it feels once traffic returns fully to the area.
These exits to the road on Leith St are dangerously bad
The upstand is HUGE and the angle is very acute. Before turning up the hill you’ll have to make sure your whole bike is clear of the kerbside. This will be slow and put you at a bad angle across traffic. An urban arrow length bike might be touching the inside lane before the rider can turn left up the hill.
They are narrow and won’t let a wide bike pass.
The second one is graded so steeply that most people will probably have a wobble moving off.
They are not large enough to wait in without blocking downhill bikes coming from Calton Rd
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currently Project Director on the Edinburgh St James and V&A at Dundee projects.
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http://www.optimisedenvironments.com/people/ben-palmer/
Doesn’t seem to be on Twitter...
@Klaxon - the 2 exits are supposed to be the same. Greenside wasoriginally very narrow and they agreed to widen it and to add one for Calton Road.
I've added a link to Spokes latest response on the RSO thread, but here it is again
Final plans published by the Council (attached below). Incredibly any cyclist going from PP to Broughton Street will cross the tram lines at a shallow angle in the general traffic flow - by design! That is genuinely scandalous.
Where are the plans? Is it just that daft wee image?
The Spurtle has a link to a pdf (near the bottom) http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/picardy-place-plans-now-nailed-down
Direct pdf link: http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/sites/broughtonspurtle.org.uk/files/story/PP2.pdf
You'd need to be a brave feather mucker to use any of the ASZs and on-gyratory advisory lanes on a Friday night in February. Absolutely lethal.
She's having a laugh.
"While it is very challenging to accommodate the many conflicting expectations of different groups and individuals, we believe that these improved designs have taken on board the best mix possible of everyone's thinking around this crucial gateway to Edinburgh's Old and New Towns World Heritage site."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-43824146
No-one mentioning "balance" any more, because they know the game's up: it's completely unbalanced. Now it's "the best mix possible" apparently. Pity the cyclists having to mix with tram lines when heading to Broughton Street...
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