I've only just noticed the signage on the NEPN this morning, offering advice to cyclists, angle your light down, give pedestrians right of way and so on. They are quite small and hard to read unless you stop.
How long have they been up?
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NEPN - Signage
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Posted 7 years ago #
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I sore those signs yesterday afternoon
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I think they have come out of the 'Paths for Everyone' work On the council website
From the ones I have seen, they seem well balanced with good advice; cyclists are advised to dip lights, slow into blind corners and use bell, and dog walkers are advised to CONTROL YOUR DOG (which I particularly like). Haven't seen any aimed at walkers, but based on the website I expect ones asking them to be alert even with headphones, and to walk in a way that allows others to pass.
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Don’t know how old this is -
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We are currently reviewing every street in Edinburgh to ensure that they are accessible for everyone. This includes identifying where better crossing facilities could be introduced, such as new dropped kerbs or tactile paving. We are also reviewing local high streets to identify improvements that will make places more walking-friendly. You can contact us with your suggestions for any street improvements.
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http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20087/cycling_and_walking/979/walking_projects
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For walkers they have 'be aware' with picture of man staring at phone.
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It is a pity that the signs are placed too high to be noticed when staring into a smartphone screen.
I foresee a future Spokes competition to identify the location using photographs of a "blind corner" warning sign, I only noticed it because of my unique riding position!Posted 7 years ago # -
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Edinburgh Council (@Edinburgh_CC)
24/10/2017, 10:45
Stop for a chat (and a free hot drink!) with our #pathsforeveryone team at the Craigleith QuietRoute junction from 4.30-6.30pm today“
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We are currently reviewing every street in Edinburgh to ensure that they are accessible for everyone.
It would be nice if that involved looking at where cars are parked on pavements in ways that would block access for, say, wheelchair users.
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I suspect most have been placed high up on the poles to stop them being vandalised / torn off (a fate which seems to have met most previous cycling signs along NEPN routes).
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Failed to spot any "Control your dog" signs on NEPN last night, but possible I missed them.
Asked one "owner" of three large black muts which were bounding all over path whether they should be on leads....
Was told in no uncertain terms that they didn't. Only required to have leads on roads, and that I could f-off.
#sharedpathjoy
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Only required to have leads on roads
In case anyone's wondering - this isn't true. There is no law requiring dogs to be on leads on roads, but the Highway Code explicitly mentions both roads and cycle paths:
"Rule 56
Dogs. Do not let a dog out on the road on its own. Keep it on a short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists or horse riders."
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Thanks. I thought that was the case.
I failed to spot any "Control your dog" signs, nor any of these "Keep dogs on short lead or close at heel" signs
https://twitter.com/Edinburgh_CC/status/922760872568803328
on NEPN.
It was dark when I cycled down last night, so perhaps I missed them.
But if there are none then why not?
And who should we ask in order to get some put up?
Other paths (particularly the Canal tow path) should have these too, but maybe already there on the canal.
I've been away for a few days so not been along there since new signage introduced. I'll be going that way later today though so I shall be on the look out!
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Going clockwise last night I noticed a "blind corner" sign on the last lamppost before the Drylaw Park bridge, just at the point where I like to keep all my attention focussed on the imminent blind corner.
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In case anyone's wondering - this isn't true. There is no law requiring dogs to be on leads on roads,
Sorry, @Frenchy, but you're incorrect - Section 27 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 says:
"27 Control of dogs on roads.
(1)A person who causes or permits a dog to be on a designated road without the dog being held on a lead is guilty of an offence.
[...]"Posted 7 years ago # -
I've seen a Control your Dog sign on my way down from Ravelston Dykes to Sainsbury's yesterday (can't remember if it was up the top of the ramp or further down or somewhere along the path, sorry)
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@adamthekiwi - Very interesting, thanks.
Any idea why the Highway Code doesn't say "You MUST NOT let a dog out on the road on its own."?
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There are a few control your dog signs scattered along the length of the NEPN. Most signs are directed at cyclists though.
@adamthekiwi section 27 continues:
"(2) In this section “designated road” means a length of road specified by an order in that behalf of the local authority in whose area the length of road is situated."So local authorities have to create an order which designates specific sections of road as subject to section 27.
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I spotted three 'Control your dog' signs between Wester Coates and Sandport Street yesterday. Ironically there was a woman with two uncontrolled dogs, which she was completely ignoring in favour of her mobile phone screen, just beside the first sign on the bridge over the WoL at Wester Coates. Both dogs were darting back and forth across my path as I carefully & slowly tried to pass them, with the owner completely oblivious to what was going on.
Yay for signs! ;-)
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So local authorities have to create an order which designates specific sections of road as subject to section 27.
Reminded me of Morningsider's helpful post a while back, in the context of the NEPN and suchlike.
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There is a design for a "control your dogs sign" in this series but I've yet to spot it in the wild. Plenty of the "dip your lights" and "don't strobe" ones which I can't argue with. I'm not sure these signs will have much effect... But hey.
I did notice there is a sign pole at the Craigleith Quarry junction that has about 6 signs on it now, I must take a photo of it. Or perhaps add a wee sign of my own saying "Edinburgh Cycle Path Sign Museum"
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There's a dog one just before you go under Telford Drive northbound.
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Yesterday, as I passed a lady with seven (7) dogs all running free, I realised that I'd missed the point of the "Control your dog" sign as it clearly only applies if you have just the one dog.
Get a pack and you're free to ignore the sign?Posted 7 years ago # -
I know these signs have only been up a few days but there's still a significant number of path users who seem unaware of the hazards their behaviour is creating. Wearing dark clothing, walking with their back to oncoming traffic on a poorly lit and narrow shared use path with either headphones in or dog running loose. Pedestrians attempting to give way to cyclists, just keep to the right and the cyclists will negotiate themselves around you, don't add another degree of complexity to it.
Not as permanent as signs but far more effective are the stencilled markings on the ground.
Maybe these placed at junctions reminding users of the Highway Code would have more impact:
"Walk facing oncoming traffic"
"Keep dogs on a short lead"
"http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/rules-for-pedestrians.html"
etc.A fairly cheap option, though it does have a recurring cost to maintain every couple of months. A good task for a dangerous driver serving a community service sentence.
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I did see a wee dog with a cheerful retro reflective neckerchief on the other night after sundown. Great, now I can see the unleashed dog as it sits on the other side of the path from the phone-distracted owner only to dart infront of the pike just as I get near.
A leash would be much more effective.
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@Luath, @Arellcat (and @Morningsider) - yes, I'd been trying to work out if the NEPN had an order under section 27 applied to it...
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@kaputnik I came across two large dogs with single-red LEDs on their collars on the Chancelot Path on Tuesday morning around 06:05, with their owner following up a short distance behind on a bike (with lights).
All very visible from a distance, but the two large dogs were charging about, criss-crossing each other on the path - so much so that I had to unclip and stop until all three were safely past me. There was no way I'd get by, even at walking pace, without a dog or me coming to grief.
I'm hoping they'll run back one day and cause the owner to come off his bike; only then might he realise that he needs to have more control over his dogs when bikes are around!
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Wearing dark clothing,
Mandatory HiViz for all eh? You could take the advice given to drivers, slow down?
"Walk facing oncoming traffic"
And which side of a shared use path is on coming traffic to be on? Or should one simply walk against the generaly direction of travel at that time?
just keep to the right and the cyclists will negotiate themselves around you
And you're quite sure they'll manage that with more than an elbow flicks space? Experience tells me that is not always the case.
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Before I sound too negative about dogs & owners, there's another lady with two dogs who I meet almost every time I'm riding home from work. She doesn't have them on leads, but stops and calls them to her when she sees bikes approaching, and holds both at the side of the path until the bike has passed.
I always call out a cheery 'Thanks!", and she always replies with "You're welcome" and a smile.
A positive, friendly encounter which leaves us both feeling good about each other. I'm all for that and we need more of it! :-)
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Talking of dogs, I used to commute via Bishop's Walk off Palmerston Place. Someone used to think peak hour was a great time to exercise 3 large dogs along a heavily used narrow shared path.
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