@fimm: also at least one sign well in advance! The current positioning of these signs must be verging on criminally negligent.
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Garve Level Crossing
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Posted 6 years ago #
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Current signs have 2 contradictory messages/orders, are probably not legal, as they are not on a public road (they are on a level crossing which is Network Rail property.
Diagram 951 is an order - No Cycling - but requires a Traffic Order to enforce it, but that us normally only possible on a public road.
Diagram 966 is not permitted in this form for this situation, and the wording is deprecated. Cyclists rejoin carriageway is preferred wording.
Network Rail website used to have transparency page with listing of all level crossings & picture comes up when you click. Used to be much better than this but has been changed.
Level crossing suppliers (3 main ones) will have details of the lengths and angles of the crossings they have supplied.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Just wow (my bold)
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BEAR update – Garve Level Crossing – on Tuesday 12 June 2018 we received an update from Doreen Cockbill … “BEAR Scotland have been requested by Transport Scotland to design and implement a resurfacing scheme on the approach to Garve Level Crossing. This will include the use of High Friction Surfacing to improve skidding resistance for vehicles approaching the crossing. The proposed resurfacing works are planned to take place during the financial year 2018/19, but as yet no firm date has been fixed. However, the works are likely to take place in the autumn/winter time to avoid the peak tourist season. Transport Scotland are also liaising with Network Rail to investigate what options, if any are available to reduce the slip hazard resulting from the rails crossing the carriageway.It is important to remember that a prohibition of cycling exists at this Level Crossing requiring that cyclists dismount from their cycles and cross over the level crossing on foot. This regulation is in place to ensure cyclist safety at this location. Whilst this may result in a slight increase in cyclist journey times, in the interest of their own safety we would advise cyclists to comply with this regulation.” We thank Doreen for the update. This update has already been posted on our website. We note John Finnie MSP has also taken an interest in this issue. Signage at Balnacra Level Crossing has also been put up reminding cyclists they must dismount before crossing. The Highway Code states in Rule 306 that cyclists should take particular care at a level crossing. Rule 82 states that extra care should be taken when crossing the tracks and that those riders should dismount at level crossings where a “cyclist dismount” sign is displayed. Would additional signs and road markings help when the existing signs and road markings are being ignored? Perhaps the “cyclist dismount” sign should be brought forward? Perhaps the names of those who fail to follow road signage and the Highway Code should be passed to the police?"
Posted 6 years ago # -
Another example of othering the person on a bicycle. We'll spend thousands of pounds to make it safe for cars to get across but not one penny on bicycles. Just get off and push you daft twits, or else we'll report you to the police.
Posted 6 years ago # -
“It is important to remember that a prohibition of cycling exists at this Level Crossing requiring that cyclists dismount from their cycles and cross over the level crossing on foot.”
Is this true?
Legal?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Is this true?
Legal?
There's a "No Cycling" sign, and probably safe to assume that the associated TRO exists, so yeah.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Looking at that streetview, there's not exactly a safe spot to come to a halt and dismount. 40mph road, and you're being told to come to a standstill on the verge...
Posted 6 years ago # -
I do like the "we would advise cyclists to comply with this regulation"
Are they going to advise every single cyclist in the country, just in case they ever come to the Garve crossing?
Posted 6 years ago # -
I'm going to take the optimistic view on this latest response from Director of Rail
"There has been a lot of consideration of this issue over the Summer. I will ensure an update on the latest position is provided shortly."
Posted 6 years ago # -
Went through there by car over the weekend. The "no cycling" signs are obscured by other level crossing signs, and are right next to the crossing so if you do notice them and decide to get off you'd have very little time to stop.
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Posted 5 years ago #
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Went through Garve again at the weekend. I think the "Cyclists Dismount" signs have been made more obvious (moved? were they always on a hi-vis background?) - there's now a round "No Cycling" sign along with a blue "Cyclists Dismount".
However I think that it is a case of the consequences of crying wolf - cyclists are so used to ignoring stupid "Cyclists Dismount" signs that anyone confident enough to be cycling that road in the first place will just ignore them without some explanation as to why in this case they should not.Posted 5 years ago # -
The cycle crashing season has started in Garve again :-(
https://twitter.com/CyclingGarve/status/1129756482520702983?s=19
Posted 5 years ago # -
I'll be up that way in June so thanks for the heads up.
Posted 5 years ago # -
veloSTRAIL going in in April 2021 :)
https://twitter.com/CyclingGarve/status/1333743336843333633?s=19
Posted 3 years ago # -
I think this may finally have been implemented - there were nighttime temporary traffic lights 2 weeks ago on our holiday trip north, with the inter-rail spacers being lifted. On our return south, hard to see for sure as it was chucking it down but the approaches looked like they would have more grip.
Posted 3 years ago # -
I passed over the crossing by automobile about 2 weeks back and it looked like the rails had some kind of rubber filler in them.
Posted 3 years ago # -
STRAIL UK did have this in their programme
Meantime do shoot down that Network Rail claim on 6000 level crossings - there are only around 1600 crossings on public roads mostly in the flatter parts of England. The biggest total are FP crossings.
There was a fatal crash at Botany Bay LC last November that I'm trying to get details on - it sounded almost identical to the crash that killed Li Min Soh at Queensferry Street junction with similar causal factors. That crossing also had plans for elimination in 2014 that keep getting postponed. U'd like to make sure the inquest gets to record detail from Chris Oliver's paper
Posted 3 years ago # -
Cans the crash detail links be collated somewhere?
I'd like to do some analysis
Posted 3 years ago # -
Thank you @Murun & @Neddie - the inserts were due to go in at the start of the month and I was awaiting confirmation that they had gone in.
Tweet with pic
https://twitter.com/CyclingGarve/status/1429049435615600642?s=19
Posted 3 years ago # -
Compensation for Colin
https://www.cyclelawscotland.co.uk/why-choose-us/case-studies/garve-level-crossing-railway-tracks/
(Thanks for @frency for spotting this)
Posted 2 years ago # -
That’s an annoying web site design - you have to scroll down miles to reach the relevant text!
“
We're delighted that changes have been made to make the Garve level-crossing safer for all those wishing to enjoy cycling in the area. However, if you've had an accident at the Garve level-crossing in the last three years, please do let us know and we will be pleased to help.
“
Posted 2 years ago # -
And slightly peeving that they didn't mention the support they got from me, sharing ALL the correspondence I and several other riders had had with Transport Scotland over the years.
#GrumpyBeforeCoffee
Posted 2 years ago # -
That’s an annoying web site design - you have to scroll down miles to reach the relevant text!
Looks fine to me. Might be different on a mobile?
Posted 2 years ago # -
@ #GrumpyBeforeCoffee
Send them a bill for consultancy…
Posted 2 years ago # -
“Might be different on a mobile?”
Well “request desktop website” didn’t make any difference.
Links go to new page with all page/click options are at top still, so long way to scroll past them all.
Posted 2 years ago # -
On a narrow screeen (or narrow window) the links are at the top. In a wider window, they're at the side.
Posted 2 years ago # -
Ah!
Posted 2 years ago # -
Got word that today a court case for compensation from a fall at Garve has settled with a positive outcome from the rider involved.
In looking to see if anything on the web about it, I came across this article from a different case.
https://www.cyclelawscotland.co.uk/why-choose-us/case-studies/garve-level-crossing-railway-tracks/
Posted 1 year ago #
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