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Large parking changes including Sunday restrictions

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  1. CycleAlex
    Member

    The long awaited parking restrictions on Sunday are here, but only in the afternoon...

    Amongst the changes are some significant increases in parking on certain streets from single/double yellows to shared use bays. Noticed some big jumps near me on Grove Street and Gilmore Place.
     
    Bemusingly, they’re also proposing to increase parking on streets that have planned cycle routes (which will reduce parking) - sounds like a sure fire way to get people annoyed. e.g. they’re significantly increasing parking on the north side of St Andrew Square that will be removed by CCWEL.

    If anything, some of the parking increases would be handy to ‘hold back’ per say and deliver them with an Active Travel scheme to make it more appealing to NIMBYs. 

    Maps & details: https://www.pclconsult.co.uk/edinburghparking/

    Posted 4 years ago #

  2. jonty
    Member

    These new graphical orders are a step in the right direction, probably, but it's quite hard to see what the differences are.

    Are you sure they're increasing parking on the north side of St. Andrew Square? It looks like they're actually taking away a bay to be replaced with...nothing? Either an error or maybe extra bus stop space or something?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  3. jonty
    Member

    I also notice more parking on the soon-to-be-pedestrianised Victoria Street...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  4. mgj
    Member

    Is there any mention of plans for enforcement? The Sunday morning exemption is apparently for church goers but there is already regular parking in the cycle lanes outside other religious places when in use eg Mosque.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  5. jonty
    Member

    No - enforcement is an ongoing operational matter so isn't really relevant at the legal orders stage. You'd imagine this would mean better enforcement on Sundays though given that there's sweet sweet pay and display revenue to be protected.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  6. neddie
    Member

    As a perfect example of the council not knowing its ar** from its elbow, they are proposing to increase the parking directly outside Gillespie's Primary School gate.

    The gate is already inadequately lined - there should be "Keep Clear" zig zags and instead there is only a single yellow.

    Parking, unloading, road danger and pollution are already massive issues here, yet they want to increase the parking!

    Current:

    Proposed:

    Posted 4 years ago #

  7. CycleAlex
    Member

    @jonty Ah you're right, excuse my idiocy! Had the current/proposed maps mixed up. Although it doesn't seem to be getting replaced with any restrictions...

    Extra parking on Lady Lawson Street too which will need to be removed if the council remember to build Meadows-Castle Terrace.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  8. Frenchy
    Member

    They are also removing the single yellow line on the north side of the street there, if I'm reading the diagrams right.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  9. CycleAlex
    Member

    That's often a very busy bus stop so that can only go well.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  10. fimm
    Member

    Am I the only person who cannot see neddie's images?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  11. neddie
    Member

    Reposting with pics:

    As a perfect example of the council not knowing its ar** from its elbow, they are proposing to increase the parking directly outside Gillespie's Primary School gate.

    The gate is already inadequately lined - there should be "Keep Clear" zig zags and instead there is only a single yellow.

    Parking, unloading, road danger and pollution are already massive issues here, yet they want to increase the parking!

    Drawings 1808 from zone 8:

    Current:

    Proposed:

    Posted 4 years ago #

  12. neddie
    Member

    There are actually Traffic Regulation Orders (TROs) out for this:

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/2998/controlled_parking_zones_-_edinburgh_tro1929

    Note that the council are proposing to increase the number of parking bays available to permit holders by 2000! So effectively increasing the number of cars in the city by 2000 in the middle of a climate emergency, toxic air, etc.

    Therefore you can formally object by the 26th November

    Note, it seems misleading and disingenuous of the council to provide a separate, non-formal consultation at the same time - it almost seems like a distraction technique from the formal TRO process...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  13. jonty
    Member

    I assume the vast majority of that is by making pay-and-display spaces available to permit holders? I wonder if there's an argument that this actually makes driving into town harder. Although it's surely only going to make car ownership easier in the short term.

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  14. neddie
    Member

    @jonty

    I haven't checked all the drawings, but in our local area they've added at least 20 new spaces by converting yellow lines to bays (often at least partly blocking sightlines at junctions) and by converting bays to end-on parking (Meadow Place for example).

    So I can see this adding up to a significant increase in new parking across the city

    Posted 4 years ago #

  15. mgj
    Member

    Where even is the demand for that; that section is often not full and there is plenty of free space in Thirlestane Road at that end.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  16. EdinburghCycleCam
    Member

    @neddie Therefore you can formally object by the 26th November
    How do we do that?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  17. neddie
    Member

    Objections can be submitted in writing to trafficorders@edinburgh.gov.uk

    See: http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20016/roads_travel_and_parking/263/view_or_comment_on_traffic_orders

    Posted 4 years ago #

  18. EdinburghCycleCam
    Member

    Great, thanks!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  19. Snowy
    Member

    >I assume the vast majority of that is by making pay-and-display spaces available to permit holders?

    From looking at it last night, it mostly appeared the other way round - that permit-only spaces will become dual-use pay-and-display. Only a percentage though.

    And @neddie, great spot, I was staring at that map and didn't see the new extra parking right outside the school gate - mad ! Will be objecting for sure.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  20. jonty
    Member

    I notice part of the TRO was to do double yellow lines at junctions. I haven't seen much of that, perhaps because it's mostly already done in the areas I've been looking at. However, I remember hearing it's now council policy to do DYL at dropped kerbs too - has anyone seen any evidence of that?

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  21. neddie
    Member

    Regarding my previous comment:

    Note, it seems misleading and disingenuous of the council to provide a separate, non-formal consultation at the same time - it almost seems like a distraction technique from the formal TRO process...

    It turns out that clicking on the "Have Your Say" link at the bottom of the "consultation" page takes you back to the council general page on TROs, where you are then asked to write to trafficorders@edinburgh.gov.uk

    So there is no separate consultation and TRO process. One simply needs to object (or comment) on the TRO at trafficorders@edinburgh.gov.uk

    The way this is all set up and linked is very confusing and far from clear how you should object nonetheless.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  22. Snowy
    Member

    It certainly is. I took half an hour and submitted a good rant objective analysis of how they could do better.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  23. crowriver
    Member

    Personally I have no intention of objecting to these proposals. Sunday parking restrictions can't come soon enough, given the chaotic free-for-all that exists currently. Some fiddling around the edges of resident's parking bays seems a small price to pay. Objecting just prolongs the status quo.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  24. CycleAlex
    Member

    Dropped the project manager for Meadows-Canal a note about this and it seems the parking team didn't tell the active travel team...

    @neddie The website is fairly motorist centred as well. How many people without a parking permit know where "Zone 5A" is?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  25. Snowy
    Member

    @crowriver I agree RE Sundays but the changes do not affect just Sundays - on this specific street they affect weekday primary school kids trying to get safely in and out of their school gate.
    Putting in parking bays right outside the school gate is mad. They should be putting in zig-zags instead to keep it clear, which they've never bothered to do, but now is a great opportunity. It's a tiny alteration to plans of this scope, but it makes a big difference to 630 kids every morning and afternoon.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  26. gembo
    Member

    We took a risk on Ringo last night in chambers street. Car parked in chambers st 5.57 to 6.27 ringo charging in 30 min sections). Traffic in to town on WAR was mad. Lot of cats skipping down long sections of the bus lanes then pushing in. I was hoping that unless they were on some sort of mercy dash they should get fined? Particularly the woman who smashed along the bus lane, indicated she would now be willing to join the queue but tired of this after a second and went back into the bus lane. Also the boy racer who tired of waiting to be let into the contraflow as the cars in front did one at a time and floored it along the bus lane in a fit of pique.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  27. neddie
    Member

    Blackford Safe Routes (James Gillespie’s Primary School Travel ctte) have some serious concerns with regards to TRO/19/29 (Sunday Parking restrictions) because of additional parking to be provided across the city and directly outside the school gate, contrary to all active travel and safety requirements. Furthermore, additional parking bays have been provided in other locations across the city which will cause obstruction to active travel route accesses.

    As such, Blackford Safe Routes have prepared an objection to the TRO which you can find here:
    http://blackfordsaferoutes.co.uk/objecting-to-tro-1929/

    Blackford Safe Routes have only checked parking Zone 8, but we're sure there could be other issues/conflicts with active travel in the other zones, given we found at least 7 different issues in one zone.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  28. fimm
    Member

    Does anybody know which bit I should be looking at for the Gorgie / Dalry / Haymarket area? I can't work it out.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  29. neddie
    Member

    @fimm

    Haymarket/Dalry is Zones 1 and 4. Gorgie is zone S4.

    Only the inner zones (zones 1 to 8) are affected by the TRO. So zone S4, or any zone beginning with an 'N', 'B' or 'S' is not affected.

    Interactive map of the zones:
    http://data.edinburghcouncilmaps.info/datasets/f773cda5dd9e44d1bc562fa80d586b69_12?geometry=-3.248%2C55.931%2C-3.04%2C55.96

    Posted 4 years ago #

  30. Frenchy
    Member

    @fimm - I could have this slightly wrong, but I think the covered area stops at Haymarket.

    A map of the zones is on the council's atlas, here: http://edinburghcouncilmaps.info/atlas/cecatlas.html

    (Click the layers button near top right, then tick the "Controlled Parking Zones" box under "Transport").

    Zone 1 contains Haymarket Terrace, and goes as far as Queensferry St.

    Dalry Road is in zone S4, which doesn't seem to be covered by any of the proposals. Gorgie doesn't have a CPZ.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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