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The main part of the tram alternative cycle route (FOTW to Commercial Street) is on the consultation hub: https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/leith-connections/supporting_documents/Leith%20Connections%20%20February%2021%20FINAL.pdf
Fully segregated bidirectional route with a variety of point closures too. The Shore is bus/cycle only both ways with Sandport Place bridge cycle only.
Initial reaction - the Sandport Place bridge change looks huge, and it is good to link this into the WoL there, though it is somewhat narrow at that end. Segregation also good. Generally looks quite good.
I just don't understand why you'd do the hardest part of Great Junction Street and not the rest of it, directly to Ocean Terminal AND all the shops on Great Junction Street itself. You'd still be able to improve access to WoL via the (arguably more useful) Coburg Street entrance.
The consultation closes on 28 February. The proposals (or various versions of the proposals as written by someone who hasn't actually read them but knows that the 'clowncil' are trying to ruin Leith from their mansions up in Edinburgh) are attracting some 'concern' on the I Love Leith (from inside my car) FB group so just giving it a bump here.
@Rob I suggested they also do Great Junction Street to OT (!) but if you had to pick one I prefer this route which also takes in various shops and cafes and has more opportunities for 'place-making', and closing off horrible rat-runs, plus the Sandport Bridge modal filters are a game-changer.
@Vez it occurred to me while filling in the consultation that this route would need segregation anyway, as it's shared with buses. You're also right about the rat runs - you'd want to close them anyway so overall it does make sense to do this route first.
Is there a survey to fill in or is it just one of these "email this address" consultations?
I first heard of this via the FB group's "Great Junction Street will die!" whines. Shall take a proper look at the weekend. I've rarely had to head east along Great Junction Street in the morning so I don't know what that side of the road is like for essential deliveries, but when I have cycled in that direction I know I've rarely been able to see the kerb behind parked things. Henderson/Dock/Coburg streets are all quite bad for people preferring to thunder along lumpitycobbles at thirty than wait at some traffic lights. The bit round the back of Commercial Street might have been better if it had been a consideration before the new housing was put in opposite OT, but they might hopefully be allowed to re-lay a strip of the setts to create a cycleable surface.
@fimm There's a survey here https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/leith-connections/ Takes about 15-20 mins depending on how much detail you give in the 'tell us why you think this' box.
@fimm Survey here: https://wh1.snapsurveys.com/s.asp?k=161253919837 Beaten by a second!
All of these motorist pressure groups claiming they want to save this area or that area are just mendacious cats. They just want to drive where they like and park where they like. Personally I don’t mind that if they are charged accordingly. You want to take your car into medieval edinburgh. Ok 50 quid for whole vehicle. Can be split by occupants. Each day.
Pays for roads, environment, asthma, ozone layer
Motoring used to be for the rich before credit was extended.
Thank you for the links.
Done, though I skipped some of the later questions which are more aimed at residents.
What on earth is the difference between "Walk/cycle for exercise" and "Walk/cycle for leisure (non-exercise)"?
@ gembo
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Are cats intelligent, or merely cunning, mendacious and manipulative?
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“What on earth is the difference between "Walk/cycle for exercise" and "Walk/cycle for leisure (non-exercise)"?“
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Exactly, it’s the same old ‘cycling is sport’.
Though put like that it’s worse.
I suppose the idea is a misguided (and under the circumstances, pointless) attempt to separate sport and exercise.
@wingpig ditto. All I know is:
1) commuting east in the evening, 1-2 parked cars after the bus stop have made it effectively 1 lane towards Leith Walk/Duke Street every time.
2) commuting west in the morning, 1-2 parked cars around the traffic island create a slalom course which makes keeping up with traffic trivial.
Be prepared for the usual complaints about "customer" parking. They're also removing some unrestricted parking around Henderson Street/Yardheads. No doubt plenty of noise will be coming from that.
@fimm I assumed the difference between leisure and exercise was whether the ride itself was the purpose. i.e. cycling up Arthur's Seat to look at the view, vs doing a lap of Arthur's Seat. Not a huge distinction, I'll admit.
@chdot that is it mendacious cunning see you next Tuesday’s.
> What on earth is the difference between "Walk/cycle for exercise" and "Walk/cycle for leisure (non-exercise)"?
Presumably walking round the block to stretch your legs counts as exercise but walking to the coffee shop to meet a friend counts as leisure? Blurry line though I agree.
What on earth is the difference between "Walk/cycle for exercise" and "Walk/cycle for leisure (non-exercise)"?
Type II and Type I fun, respectively?
Leisure does not involve a garmin? (i know that to some of you on here that is a foreign concept...)
But my cycle rides and walks and runs are both fun and exercise!
@ fimm
Did the survey mention “fun”??
Recently discovered https://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/ods-web/area.html. First attempt at getting something useful/interesting out of it - Household car access along this route:
I'm willing to bet that Yardheads and the other areas >60% are new builds
Looking at the aerial imagery on the council's atlas, it looks like the middle block was built around 2001 - the other two are
pre-1940s.
The ~2001 building work also, as you will have guessed, involved knocking down buildings and replacing them with car parking.
More excellent data. The earlier 20mph zone data also interesting.
Is this % of households with access to a car @Rob? And is it reasonable to add all 22 numbers together and then divide by 22 to get an average across the route as a whole? Which according to my maths would be 42%.
@vez, I don’t think you can aggregate percentages like that.
Yes, I forgot to say it was percentage. I also missed one postcode in the top left (57.4%). To get a true average you'd need to account for number of households in each postcode. I believe you would need to convert the percentages into an absolute number of cars, add them all together, divide by the total number of households.
I did the rest of Leith, just for fun. Interesting how you can have 14% on one street, then 2 streets over it's at 75%.
“Interesting how you can have 14% on one street, then 2 streets over it's at 75%”
That’s the sort of info people use for postcode marketing.
Probably burglaries too.
I so wanted Leith Dockers.club to have 75.4 but think just 29.1
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