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  1. Morningsider
    Member

    I genuinely think Councillors should have to explain how any plans to water down the Greenbank-Meadows quiet route supports their:

    ...declaration of a climate emergency.
    ...target of reducing car traffic by 30%.
    ...commitment to zero road fatalities from 2030.
    ...targets for improved air quality.
    ...policies to enhance and expand walking and cycling networks.
    ...policy to support the development of 20-minute neighbourhoods.
    ...commitment to the sustainable transport hierarchy.

    It really, really boils my blood that we are here. Good people, with actual lives to lead, having to dedicate themselves to arguing that the Council shouldn't take action that is directly contrary to their own policies - which were themselves subject to many rounds of public consultation.

    Think what the Greenbank-Meadows scheme actually is - six flimsy modal filters, the majority in areas of super-low density housing. Yet it benefits many, many people, including literally thousands of kids who attend schools in the area - all at a cost that is a rounding error in the transport budget.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    This is about having bikes on trams during the Festival/August after a motion yesterday -

    Cllrs won't decide I am afraid, but they will have more direct contact with the reformed ALEO.

    https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1692500950534050267

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Dave
    Member

    @Morningsider agree wholeheartedly. I had to stop myself getting invested in this stuff, immensely worthy though it is, because it's just too soul destroying. The council are supposedly going to do something locally to us, to be consulted, and I'm like... I don't have 5+ years to fight for things that should be obvious only to be gaslit and betrayed by cheap politicians Braid-style.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. gembo
    Member

    Just to log that the bollards still not back on Lanark Road

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    I paid a wee visit Corstorphine High Street today to check on the footpath widening works.

    It's causing a bit on inconvenience locally, but I think the end result will be welcomed by many.

    https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1694769615535006182?

    Video

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    What did I say that you disagree with?

    I am sorry to hear that chap has died - my thoughts and prayers are with his family. Those bollards have now been removed.

    https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1694977080964907212

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    Wee white painted cycle logos have appeared on Lanark road 7 weeks after bollards still not back. We have so little protection. There is a counter but will snap as has been stretched tight. Also counter in WoL path

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. ejstubbs
    Member

    @gembo:

    There is a counter but will snap as has been stretched tight. Also counter in WoL path

    This only reinforces my suspicion, as noted here, that 'someone' is hoping to use the resurfacing of the WoL as an excuse to remove the cycle infrastructure on Lanark Road.

    It's coming up to six weeks since Longstone CC tweeted that: Road markings and protected cycle lanes to be reinstated within the week according to the road crew. When I went that way on Wednesday the road markings were still not complete - no DYLs, no parking spaces marked out, and no bus stop markings. And, as you note, the bollards haven't been replaced.

    I asked Longstone CC and Scott Arthur the reason for this on 8th August. Neither has replied. Can anyone here with more of 'finger on the pulse' than I have shed any light as to what officially and/or unofficially is going on?

    What's going on at the moment feels light gaslighting...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Frenchy
    Member

    Can anyone here with more of 'finger on the pulse' than I have shed any light as to what officially and/or unofficially is going on?

    Spokes asked the roads resurfacing manager what caused the delay and were told it was just due to availability of staff. Different teams will do the bollard removal, resurfacing and bollard reinstatement, and co-ordinating them is not always straightforward if higher priority work comes up at short notice.

    Which I'd say was fair enough if the delay was being measured in days rather than months.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    Lines are finally being repainted and the lane protectors are being marked up for return. These inadequate traffic splitter crossing points were kept clear when double yellows painted and of course immediately blocked by parked cars once the resurfacing covered them.

    https://twitter.com/agordonsalive/status/1695017961558360569?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    Also appears that speed and traffic volumes being monitored in this corridor at present which is good to see.

    https://twitter.com/agordonsalive/status/1695058101676679271?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. ejstubbs
    Member

    I noticed a comment (probably on Twitter) of the kind which comes up quite frequently in reference to cycling infrastructure such as that on Comiston Road and (hopefully soon to be reinstated) Lanark Road. It goes along the lines of "I hardly ever see people riding in these cycle lanes".

    It occurred to me later that, before the SfP cycle lanes went in, you hardly ever/never saw people driving on those parts of the road either - because the road space next to the kerb was so frequently occupied by parked motor vehicles at random intervals. At least with cycle lanes in place people on bikes can use the public road to get around much more easily and safely than before and, magically, it turns out that it is possible to provide adequate parking in predictable and clearly marked spaces at the same time! Who knew? Whoever came up with such astonishingly advanced technology??? It must have been aliens, surely, because experience to date suggests that too many homo sapiens are so wedded to their polluting, space hogging mobile [sometimes] sitting rooms that contemplating even minor changes to the extensive infrastructure provided for their benefit causes them to burst a blood vessel in rage...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    Hi @ACECorstorphine , I did answer your questions - you even acknowledged receipt of my email.

    The abuse on your page isn't stopping though

    https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1695380314171060460?

    With screenshots

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    One of the best things about the Edinburgh Festival Fringe this year was making the bollards on the Royal Mile more visible.

    https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1696204879067333055

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Frenchy
    Member

    Cllr Aston has a question at full council tomorrow about progress towards the 30% reduction in car-kilometres by 2030.

    Cllr Arthur's response (page 10) includes this:

    "Since the baseline year (2019) up until August 2022 there
    has been a 7% reduction in car kilometres in Edinburgh.
    Information is provided by the Department for Transport’s
    traffic count data annually and the next update is expected
    in summer 2024."

    Definitely council actions which caused traffic to reduce between 2019 and 2022. Definitely no need for immediate and radical further action.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. Morningsider
    Member

    Funny - those same Department for Transport statistics show the annual distance driven by car and taxi in Edinburgh increased by 296,200,000 miles between 2020 and 2022 - that is a 26% increase.

    That is 6.6% less than 2019 (the highest year on record) - but the trend is clearly still up. A full return to pre-pandemic levels in the next year or two looks pretty likely.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. Arellcat
    Moderator

    After very careful calculation, I've determined that 100.00% of statistics can be selected appropriately to convey any conclusion desired.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. Frenchy
    Member

    After very careful calculation, I've determined that 100.00% of statistics can be selected appropriately to convey any conclusion desired.

    Do you think that, say, a professor of engineering at Heriot-Watt University would take the same view if they were, say, marking undergraduate dissertations?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. Frenchy
    Member

    Have also just read the massive disclaimer under the graph in @Morningsider's link, warning against exactly the cherry picking done by Cllr Arthur.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Apart from the selective use of figures, where is the data coming from?

    Are there permanently sited detectors with daily/hourly info?

    If so, how many/where?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. neddie
    Member

    When was the 30% by 2030 target first agreed by the council?

    i.e., Have they conveniently selected 2019 as a record-high base year?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. Frenchy
    Member

    Yes, there are 155 automatic traffic counters around the city.

    Locations are in the "count points" spreadsheet at @Morningsider's link. Hourly data from each of them is in the "Raw counts" spreadsheet.

    When was the 30% by 2030 target first agreed by the council?

    i.e., Have they conveniently selected 2019 as a record-high base year?

    Edinburgh target was agreed in late 2021, following the national 20% target being adopted some time in 2020. 2019 would probably have been the most recently-published data at the time the national target was set, and having the Edinburgh baseline be consistent with that is sensible.

    Using a clearly anomalous year, such as 2020, as the baseline would also just give ammunition to opponents.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. Arellcat
    Moderator

    If so, how many/where?

    155 count points according to the DfT methodology Morningsider linked to, and they are/were at these locations:

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1Q8LV8ZzkHcFvnQCuVgmsJCoMpNRbF78&usp=sharing

    Have they conveniently selected 2019 as a record-high base year?

    Yes and no. It is customary for public bodies to use 2019 as the baseline year because in monitoring trends and behaviours it represents the last non-anomalous year, when everything travel-related was cheap and plentiful and wonderful and no-one worried about getting the plague.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. Dave
    Member

    Different ways of looking at the same data:

    "Despite the pandemic, traffic levels in Edinburgh are significantly higher now than they were ten years ago."

    Since the pandemic hit, traffic has been increasing by around 10% each year vs the 2019 baseline and at the time of writing is likely higher than the 2019 baseline:

    2020 -26%
    2021 -16%
    2022 -6%
    2023 +4% ???

    Posted 1 year ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    More data

    Most U.K. Journeys Are To Shops Not Work, Finds National Travel Survey

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2023/08/30/most-uk-journeys-are-to-shops-not-work-finds-national-travel-survey/?sh=3ba1640734d6

    Time for charging for parking at retail car parks.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  26. neddie
    Member

    Time for charging for parking at retail car parks.

    Better still, build medium-density family-orientated housing on those retail car parks - then people can just, like, walk to the shops...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    That’s (probably) a good idea.

    If only there was any sort rational way of ‘planning’ the use of land…

    (And resources generally).

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. neddie
    Member

    I don't get why the developers of dying "malls" like the Gyle don't take it upon themselves to rejuvenate the shopping centres by building houses on the car parks? Surely they would make more money, twice over?

    Or perhaps they've made their money out of it now and don't care?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. Stickman
    Member

    @neddie: the previous owners of the Gyle had plans for this:

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburghs-gyle-shopping-centre-set-to-transform-into-ps500-million-urban-quarter-3261741

    It changed hands recently, so who knows if this is still under consideration.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    SPECULATION

    Such places are owned by (for instance) pension funds.

    They are/should be aware that the ‘book value’ is (probably) higher than the amount they could cash it in for.

    Additionally they don’t have the money/interest in such a development(?)

    Posted 1 year ago #

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