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  1. Arellcat
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    but delays to public transport will continue until Braid Road reopens.

    I would venture that delays will continue until we get some of those cars off the road.

    The situation yesterday was pretty terrible. I assume it's been like that most rush hours, though. And not just all the way south between Morningside clock and Greenbank church, but the queue was all the way along Cluny Gardens too.

    But, the situation however bad at Greenbank is actually completely normal on other roads at peak time, like eastbound on Great Junction St and Duke St at half four in the afternoon, or the southern end of Easter Road going up to Abbey Mount. Yesterday morning's queues were around a mile long eastbound to Sheriffhall roundabout on the bypass, and it was a continuous and mostly stationary queue from the A1 junction at Newcraighall Road all the way to the Portobello Road/Harry Lauder Road junction. Hustling a 300kg bepanniered touring motorbike is hard work and not for the faint hearted - but to attempt my 15 mile commute in a car, rather than on two wheels, would've been an hour and a half at the minimum. I have never had to do so much filtering, so assertively and even a little aggressively.

    Frankly I wish I'd cycled, but I had so much to carry for hybrid working, and post-work commitments of carrying even more meant I was no better than anyone with a car really, except that I was contributing to congestion to a much smaller degree.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. neddie
    Member

    You can add Melville Drive to that list - stationary as far as the eye could see. Are the delays to public transport there "caused" by any road closure? Nah, thought not.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Morningsider
    Member

    Just had a quick swatch at the DfT vehicle licensing figures. Between Q4 2009 and Q2 2023 an extra 18,900 cars were added to Edinburgh's vehicle fleet. Parked end-to-end in standard sized car parking spaces these would stretch from Edinburgh to Carlisle (118.8km) - as the crow flies.

    Data from: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6537df8b3099f900117f3089/veh0105.ods

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. jonty
    Member

    > You can add Melville Drive to that list - stationary as far as the eye could see. Are the delays to public transport there "caused" by any road closure? Nah, thought not.

    Ah, no, you see, it's caused by the failure of the council to build a highway on stilts in the 1960s. Then there wouldn't be any Melville Drive to congest!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. Frenchy
    Member

    Parked end-to-end in standard sized car parking spaces these would stretch from Edinburgh to Carlisle (118.8km) - as the crow flies.

    For comparison, the total length of roads in this rectangle is roughly 120 km.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. neddie
    Member

    Worth remembering that cars parked take up a lot less space than they do when being driven.

    To allow safe following distance at 20mph, each car would need to be separated by 18 metres, plus 4 metres for the car, so 22 metres per car.

    At 30mph this becomes 31 metres and at 60mph, 57 metres.

    So the area taken up by those cars being driven would be far larger than the one shown in the rectangle above

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. cb
    Member

    With the amount of on street parking (or littering if you prefer) doubled up with cars actually driving down roads (so potentially four lines of cars), and the fact that not many people actually drive at a safe distance the then I reckon you would actually need a smaller rectangle.

    Also, I make it just over 90 km for that number of cars based on a 4.8m long parking space.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Frenchy
    Member

    Also, I make it just over 90 km for that number of cars based on a 4.8m long parking space.

    On-street parking spaces need to be about 6m long. Many modern cars struggle to fit in a 4.8m space, let alone be parallel-parkable in one.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Morningsider
    Member

    @cb - I used the more generous 6m measurement normally assumed for parallel parking along roadsides. You are, of course, correct that the standard space in an off-street car park is 4.8m long.

    EDIT - dang, how did @Frenchy manage to get in before I hit post!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    Bollards are almost all in on Lanark Road now.

    On way up one white camper van at the football pitches parked at kerb instead of floating. Had lot of bike racks too. Weird. On the way down just two cars parked in the bike lane where Andrew died.

    So almost there. Not sure why it has dragged on so.

    The taxi driver now has to park on the private dirt road up where you can cycle back on to the WoL path.

    Four months is the new Within The Week.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Dave
    Member

    Re: Comiston Road, why do they not just temporarily restrict some turns in Morningside to send traffic over to the A701 or Colinton Rd? It's classic motonormativity, they have lots of solutions that involve changing the routine of some drivers, so they won't take them.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "...both proposals from Lime and Dott will be self-financed meaning no council subsidy or cost to the taxpayer."

    https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1722532433386414334

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    Just said on RScot that pavement parking will be enforced by CEC’s parking team.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. ejstubbs
    Member

    In that case they're going to need a bigger team. Not least because of the amount of (wholly unnecessary*) pavement parking that goes on in areas devoid of other parking restrictions, meaning that there will be more street mileage needing to be covered.

    * Not that it's ever really necessary, barring exceptional circumstances.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. neddie
    Member

    If the fines are set to be punative, they won't necessarily need a much bigger team, because very few people will want to take the risk of a huge fine. If the fine is only something like £30, then for sure pavement parking will be rife and the enforcement team will need to be massive

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    “In that case they're going to need a bigger team.”

    You’d think so, but he said they’d start with “hotspots” and mentioned Portobello.

    He also suggested he was optimistic that people would ‘learn’ (not to park on pavements) and that, evidence from England suggests they’d get a lot more complaints.

    In that case they're going to need a bigger team...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. Dave
    Member

    If I was in charge of this stuff and unable to increase the team as much as it needs to be increased, I'd pay them overtime to blitz neighbourhoods at 4am, just giving a saturation of fines to everything on the pavement in that area and moving on the next night. That would make an impression I think.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. ejstubbs
    Member

    @chdot:

    He also suggested he was optimistic that people would ‘learn’ (not to park on pavements)

    He may have a point. Pavement parking has been illegal in That London since 1974, and it did seem to be being pretty well complied with, at least up to when I moved away in the late 1990s. (Although TBF the streets in the areas I spent most of my time in were either DYLs, meter bays or residents' bays anyway.)

    evidence from England suggests they’d get a lot more complaints.

    What evidence? As I said above, it's only been banned in London, and that was nearly 50 years ago. AFAIK it's not been tried anywhere else in the UK since then, the enabling legislation in the 1974 Road Traffic Act having been largely ignored for decades before being quietly given up as "too difficult". Which still leaves the question: if it could be done in London, which I suspect even then would have been the most congested city in the UK motor-vehicle-wise, then it surely couldn't have been harder to do it anywhere else? (Enforcement difficulties in remote/rural areas aside, perhaps. But such considerations wouldn't apply to Edinburgh.)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    “What evidence?”

    He said CEC now has someone who used to work elsewhere and that was their experience/advice.

    It’s also true that London’s residents parking permit scheme was valid for 24hrs, which must have had a significant effect on car ownership - or at least relying on ‘finding a space near my house when the restrictions go off’.

    It will be interesting to see how CEC deals with streets like this!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. Stickman
    Member

    The pavement parking will be enforced, except where it might have an adverse impact on traffic flow, in which case exemptions will be sought.

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s63290/Item%208.5%20-%20Implementing%20new%20parking%20prohibitions.pdf

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. Dave
    Member

    I'm happy with it, they need to leave themselves the ultimate option but clear that they will only do so after bringing in parking restrictions etc.

    Does anybody know whether the drop kerb parking provision will cover raised table crossings? Near the school there is a new crossing where there's basically an oversize speed bump between the tactiles on each pavement (so the kerb is not dropped).

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. MediumDave
    Member

    Did the council actually publish the pavement parking plans?

    Can't find them in their news section or on the consultation hub.

    (Please appoint the Mayor of Vilnius and his BTR to the enforcement team)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. Morningsider
    Member

    @Dave - yes, the prohibition applies to both dropped kerbs and raised carriageways.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    The Transport & Environment Committee papers published today show we're serious about getting the basics right:
    Fixing our roads & footpaths
    Cleaning gullies
    Removing graffiti

    Since day one Labour have been clear that these issues need fixed, and this is the start.

    https://x.com/CllrScottArthur/status/1646923177639960600

    Posted 1 year ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    I think we just published Edinburgh's biggest ever active travel design package.

    https://x.com/CllrScottArthur/status/1646925609690357770

    So

    More design

    Then more CONSULTATION

    THEN??

    Posted 1 year ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    At the Transport & Environment Committee next week:
    1 Tram Inquiry Response
    2 Pavement Parking Ban
    3 Bus Lane Fines
    4 Gull Proof Sacks in the New Town
    5 Buses to Cramond, Ratho, Balerno & Dumbiedykes
    6 Utility Works in Edinburgh
    7 Street Cleansing Performance
    8 Much, much…

    https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1723257690858639828

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. Morningsider
    Member

    Anyone know what the "biggest ever active travel design package" Cllr Arthur mentions is? I can't seem to find anything that would fit that description, or any reference to it other than his tweet

    Or am I being daft and he really just means one of the various plans already announced (circulation plan, mobility plan etc.)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    “Or am I being daft”

    Probably not

    “and he really just means one of the various plans already announced”

    Might also mean ‘all the (DESIGN) money we got from Sustrans(?) for George Street, Lothian Road etc.

    Incidentally, does Sustrans pay anything towards “Consultations”?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. Frenchy
    Member

    Anyone know what the "biggest ever active travel design package" Cllr Arthur mentions is?

    That'll be the Active Travel Plan - estimated cost of everything included in it is over £1 billion. Actual funding available is...less than that...

    EDIT: Edinburgh Reporter was the best source I could find quickly: https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2023/01/council-plans-to-spend-1-billion-on-a-refreshed-active-travel-programme/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Thought the gull proof sack saga had been resolved by now…

    Posted 1 year ago #

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