I assume they'll now say it's too expensive to rip out the slabs and put in a proper tarmac path - okay, fine, but can they not just paint them? Without cars and buses constantly driving over them(we hope - LaidBack has the right idea about bollarding the hell out of everything) it'll take years and years to wear away and would provide the necessary visual contrast without great cost.
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(1424 posts)- Started 2 years ago by chdot
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“ Tomorrow we will propose a consultation on the biggest expansion to Edinburgh's 20mph network since @LAHinds introduced the scheme.
We've taken a data driven approach to decide which streets to include, & now we will listen to residents.
It has one aim - saving lives.”
https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1557800967122440192
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That’ll be in the T&E Committee papers tomorrow.
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Evaluation of 20mph speed limits in two major UK cities (Edinburgh and Belfast)
Innovative study designs are important for assessing the impact of ‘real world’ public health interventions
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214140521001717
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https://twitter.com/narrowboat_paul/status/1420011763169472519
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All for 20mph expansion, but I honest can't understand why they haven't implemented already approved changes. Greenbank Crescent/Cluny Gardens/Oxgangs Avenue and a bunch of others were listed under TRO/20/07 ( http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/TRO-20_07-SoR-list-and-statement-of-reasons.pdf )which already went to consultation and was approved at Committee on in January 2021. 18 months and counting to put up a few new signs and take down a few old ones...
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They're still being far too timid about the whole thing. Establish categories of road and street, assign appropriate speed limits to them, then go through and systematically designate the city's streets accordingly. Residential streets should be 15mph. Residential through roads should be 20mph and should ideally have active travel segregation. Urban distributors should be 30mph only if appropriate active travel infra is provided.
Do all of that *first* based on defined criteria, *then* do consultations and force the motor maniacs to justify why a side road should be a 40mph ratrun.
While they're at it, cancel the roundabout nonsense and spend that money enforcing the speed limits by design; if a residential street has parking it should be split up by SUDS and switch sides regularly to turn the whole thing into a series of chicanes. LTNs everywhere. Bus gates everywhere. Continuous pavements at every side road, painted with zebra crossings until drivers get the message.
Sticking a few 20 signs on poles here and there - maybe, if it doesn't upset anybody during the consultation enough to grumpily write to the EEN and make the Dear Leader immediately back down with effusive apologies - with functionally zero enforcement isn't going to change much of anything.
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@Laidback I ride on pavements almost 100% of the time - ideally machine laid tarmac pavements used for carriageways and well designed cycleways
I generally avoid footways as they are not designed (literally in many cases) with any allowance for traffic that does not have the performance agility of pedestrians (0-3mph faster than anything else, stop instantly, turn 180° on the spot - try any of that on a bike and ....)
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Presumably with the implication of a major plan it’ll be converting remaining arterial 30s to 20s? Would be nice to see more money on greater compliance in the existing 20s though, particularly in the city centre.
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We are dealing with congestion - we plan to reduce vehicle miles driven in Edinburgh by 30% (below 2019 levels) before 2030.
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1557990413159505920
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How?
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How?
Dunno.
By implementing SG policies?
Expect something in the committee papers…
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One of our priorities - "Every child should be able to walk, wheel and cycle to school safely".
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1558003139705556993
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Using data from the most recent edition of Scottish Transport Statistics, car travel accounts for 76.5% of all vehicle mileage in Scotland. In 2019, vehicles travelled 3.088bn km on Edinburgh's roads. Assuming that cars in Edinburgh account for the same proportion of total distance travelled as the Scottish average then that is 2.36bn car km travelled in 2019. A reduction of 30% would be 708,000,000 car km - further than the distance between Earth and Jupiter.
It is also more than the total fall in distance travelled by all vehicles on Edinburgh's roads between 2019 and 2020 (a fall of 678 million km), when it was a criminal offence to leave your home without reasonable excuse for several months and then an offence to cross local authority boundaries.
UK Department of Transport data shows car travel has effectively bounced back to pre-pandemic levels - although peak/off-peak periods look a bit different from before.
It's hard to know how you would achieve a 30% reduction. I reckon a significant congestion charge, a workplace parking levy, the removal of most on-street parking, the closure of most off-street car parks, the full pedestrianisation of the city centre, massive road space reallocation to buses, bikes and pedestrians and a city-wide roll out of low traffic neighbourhoods might get you close. Virtually all of which is within the gift of the Council. Any strategy that does not include ALL these elements simply isn't serious.
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So “getting primary school kids to design some posters” won’t work?
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1558136234890801158
“Personally I don't think it goes far enough”
You’re literally the transport convenor Scott. You can change that.Posted 2 years ago # -
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CEC is quietly worried about the cost of a Scotland switching to a default 20mph *if* it means the 20mph roundels have to be removed.
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1558158582385938432
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Er...maybe they could auction them off, like the Cairngorm Ski Centre did with their "iconic" old sideways-facing chair lift seats? Drivists could buy them as nostalgic souvenirs of the days when the general urban speed limit was 30mph.
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Glad to hear this. The guidance needs to get this right - removing the roundels in Edinburgh would be a needless waste of resources.
The basic issue is that the Scot Gov needs to catch up with Wales fast. Driving through residential areas at 30mph belongs in the stone-age
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1558398279884439554
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Could they not be repurposed as mini murals of Scott Arthur?
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Please, in the name of all that's good NO!!!
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@ejstubbs - yes, but all part of my cunning plan. While the good Councillor is continually distracted by admiring his image, Council officers will be able to get him to sign up to some decent policies. An option only available to them on the Bridges at the moment.
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Morningsider wins the internet today!
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Maybe Edinburgh could get some of these:
But looking like Scott. Should help keep the drivists out of areas where they shouldn't be. Plus knocking one over would be considered an act of lese majeste.
2 birds, one stone and all that...
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Those things are terrifying when seen in real life! https://twitter.com/andrewcopson/status/1556294534165929984
I asked Scott again about the 18 months overdue 20mph change to Cluny Gardens/Charterhall Road/Oxgangs Avenue/Greenbank Crescent/etc and he said "no progress, I am now embarrassed when people ask.". https://twitter.com/CllrScottArthur/status/1558899203358834688
Maybe I overestimate the power that Councillors have over Council Officials - the priorities they set just seem to be ignored half the time.
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“Maybe I overestimate the power that Councillors have over Council Officials“
Not as much as some Cllrs overestimate their power…
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Maybe at the next Fringe we should put on a show; a Yes, Minister-inspired "day in the life" of a poor, put-upon toon cooncilor as they attempt to navigate the corridors of power and persuade any of the officers they ostensibly employ to actually do what they're told?
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Portobello High St & Dalry Rd are due for significant road maintenance, and we therefore will use this as an opportunity to “piggy-back” on this work by developing a plan for how these streets can better cater for walking, wheeling, cycling and public transport.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CllrScottArthur/status/1560235140298801154
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TBC - We are appling to Sustrans.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1560236389366743043
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