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(1432 posts)- Started 2 years ago by chdot
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Pathetic little man...
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Ideal for calling Red Bridge after Sandy Scotland
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I think we just need to get our finger out and make this happen... it will also help us reflect on Sandy's contribution to SPOKES reaching 45 this year.
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1561014102314688518?
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I anticipate these plans will enter the public domain on the 2nd of December.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1562032644170326017
‘£1bn tram line plan’
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I guarantee they're being made public purely so he has something else to complain the Scottish Government won't immediately fund in full(with zero explanation of which sofa they're supposed to check for a spare billion in change).
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Hmmm - thing is, there have been plans for a north-south tram line (line 3) for almost 20 years. So I'll believe it when I see it.
@Yodhrin - the Scottish Government publicly supports the development of Edinburgh Trams in the second Strategic Transport Project Review and draft National Planning Framework 4 (where it is designated as a "national development"). So not unreasonable for the Council to expect some support.
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1562159055635972097?s=21&t=w-o8sJw_2xAtFjlnyTq8aw
“I fundamentally believe that when public and active transport thrives in Edinburgh, our Capital will thrive too.
Today the transport team submitted bids to develop the designs listed below - this is a huge effort
Charlotte Sq
St Andrew Sq
Dalry town centre
Portobello town centre
Corstorphine Connections
The Promenade and West Shore Road
Forthquarter Park - Old Town Streets
Barnton Junction and Whitehouse Rd link to NCN1
Niddrie Mains Road and High Street
North Bridge trial
Lothian Road
Waterfront Park / Waterfront Avenue
Waterfront Broadway Active Travel Improvements
Craigleith Green Blue NeighbourhoodPosted 2 years ago # -
@Morningsider Sure, but do you think Arthur will go through the proper process in good faith to eventually get that money when it's available, or do you think he'll spend every moment between the plans being available and its arrival beating the SG over the head with it like he does with everything?
That's a trick question btw, he's already doing that.
I just have no tolerance at all for point-scoring - I stopped reading most political stories in the paper because the disingenuous sniping from all sides was making my blood boil, I suppose I just resent that the prof's attitude means I'm now subjected to it all the time when trying to read about active travel news for Edinburgh(not that it didn't exist before, but it mainly seemed to come from Tories and I stopped taking them seriously when I was about 8, so it's water off a duck's back at this stage).
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He is on Radio4 now and being a bit Ehhh about the bins
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@Yodhrin - Yes, this Council administration seems to exist solely to snipe at the Scottish Government. While some criticisms may be valid, most aren't and it is already beyond tedious.
@CycleAlex - I'm not sure what "submitted bids to develop designs" actually means. What is clear though is, once again, south Edinburgh misses out completely.
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Transport convener Scott Arthur said: "This is a key part of our ambition to hit net zero and reduce car use in the city."
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Maybe not entirely on topic but I really hope they don't waste too much on feasibility studies for the South Sub. It's a romantic idea but the line currently does a very useful and climate-protecting job of allowing freight to avoid Edinburgh Waverley, taking lorries off the road and ensuring maximum passenger capacity through Waverley. We have lots of road space which can be used for much more direct public transport to places on and off the line.
While there are potentially some strategic national options for (say) routing trains from Glasgow around the sub to take some suburb-to-suburb car journeys off the bypass and M8, I can't help but feel like its advocacy as a local transport option is increasingly a strawman for people who either deny or don't realise the need for better bus priority measures and tram lines to the south of the city.
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those are sound points, but is there really scope to improve / prioritise a circular route like that? ie not going into city centre and back out of the centre? I can't see it.
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The Council has declared a climate emergency - quick action is needed. For a few million quid and you could create a network of camera enforced, continuous bus lanes that would largely do the job of a tram line or reopened south sub. They could be rolled out quickly without the need for major engineering.
If you want to reduce driving by 30% then a good place to start is removing 30% of the road space from general traffic. That is the basis for your network of bus and cycle lanes.
Too simplistic? Okay - then explain what the many detailed studies, plans, strategies, frameworks and action plans have achieved?
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Too simplistic
“ThisIsEdinburgh”
“Edinburgh isn’t like any other city in the universe”
“Rain/wind/hills/lazy people/entitled people/SNP baad/Labour baaad/etc”
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Ah no. What we really need is to listen to (well-heeled, sharp-elbowed) local residents with legitimate concerns about car parking, needs of shop owners, etc. You know, the kind of people that would never dream of taking a bus anywhere if they can possibly help it. Then, after lengthy consultations, announce a new vision for transport which will demonstrate the city's commitment to "Net Zero", just in time for the next local elections.
That should do the trick, dontcha think?
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I'm disappointed & surprised to see @lmacinnessnp standing down from the Transport & Environment Committee. Nobody can doubt the energy she invested in TEC, or the impact that will continue to have as we move forward with the City Centre Transformation & the City Mobility Plan.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1562508696709902336
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"those are sound points, but is there really scope to improve / prioritise a circular route like that? ie not going into city centre and back out of the centre? I can't see it."
There definitely is - filtering the "old" ring road - cycle route "RR" - so that its a relatively uninterrupted busway is one option.
The big problem with the South Sub of course is that it *does* go through the centre, and you'd have to be going really well to get better journey times than are achievable on the roads until about Dudddingston. And a bus/tram stands a better chance of taking you where you actually want to go.
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"There definitely is - filtering the "old" ring road - cycle route "RR" - so that its a relatively uninterrupted busway is one option."
from my -- admittedly biased -- perspective that is too far out, whereas a loop just where the south sub is, or the 38 runs is perfect.
The south sub as it is is a waste of space - for Edinburgh residents at least. either resume passenger travel or scrap it and create a really excellent cycle and walking route.
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Thing is, because This Is Edinburgh, the South Sub is the only "route avoiding city centre" for trains that need to move between the ECML and all routes north, west and southwest including the WCML. The next equivalent E-W route to the south is the Carlisle-Newcastle line via Hexham.
But yes, as far as residents are concerned, the Sub is just in the way, except insofar as it provides a modicum of train spotting opportunities.
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Never be abandoned as a rail route, too useful -
Local passenger usefulness is NOT about a ‘regular service to Waverley’.
Live in (say) Morningside, train to Cameron Toll, Galashiels, Livingston, Stirling etc without getting to Waverley.
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"too useful". sure. but my point was about its useful ness to Edinburgh residents. It's a huge swathe of essential land which does very little for the city.
Not suggesting anyone will agree with me.
I'm not that fussed about getting to Waverley (although it would be nice) but across to a tram in Cameron toll would be handy! or out towards the east, without having to go into the city centre.
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“huge swathe of essential land which does very little for the city”
Start campaigning with that argument for repurposing of WAR.
“Not suggesting anyone will agree with me”
Doesn’t mean u r wrong…
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The South Sub is a complete non-starter. It's car-based thinking. ("We mustn't take space away from cars")
Much better to have a circular tram loop "above ground", going past actual shops and actual people's houses, rather than something hidden away and stuck in a deep cutting for most of its route.
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South sub will have to be electrified soon? Would be very odd not to? Arguments about usefulness for public - I'm neutral!
Is very useful to move trains avoiding Waverley.Posted 2 years ago # -
“Much better to have a circular tram loop”
Obviously not an either/or.
CEC seems to have abandoned their previous loop plan.
Newhaven - Granton apparently ‘too difficult’.
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Aren't tram-trains a non starter though even if it is electrified? The current tram line is built with the low-floor rolling stock in mind, I thought you couldn't use those on regular heavy rail track, and if the tram-trains were a different model they'd have accessibility issues once they turned off onto the main network.
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Just leave the South Sub for freight and electrify it. It's infrastructure and location isn't suitable for passenger services
The same or similar loop could be created on-road as tram, e.g. along Balcarres St / Cluny Gardens, prioritising the tram and bus by filtering out private motor traffic.
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“The same or similar loop could be created on-road as tram”
COULD
Never will.
Current ‘plan’, one new line at a price that could buy an electric bike for EVERYONE in Edinburgh.
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We lived just a few minutes walk from a south sub station for the best part of a decade and I really struggle to think of a time we'd use it for something. Going to Fort Kinnaird maybe once in a blue moon. If going somewhere by big train, it would be cheaper and more useful to speed up the direct buses north from KB to Waverley than get one train to change to another.
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