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“Is there a war on the motorist?” - SPICe briefing

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  • Started 2 years ago by Stickman
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  1. Stickman
    Member

    TL; DR: No.

    https://spice-spotlight.scot/2022/08/26/is-there-a-war-on-the-motorist/

    There have been several recent media articles, such as in the Scottish Mail on Sunday, arguing that the Scottish Government is waging a “war on the motorist”. Similar articles have focused on individual travel demand measures permitted by Acts of the Scottish Parliament, including Low Emission Zones (Scottish Daily Express), the Workplace Parking Levy (The Times), road tolls/road user charging (The Telegraph) and wider motoring issues such as fuel prices.

    This post explores whether claims of such a “war” are reasonable, looking at:

    • trends in car ownership and use over the lifetime of the Scottish Parliament.
    • motoring costs.
    • roads investment.
    • local authority parking charges.
    • the development and roll-out of travel demand management measures across Scotland.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. Morningsider
    Member

    Yeah, that Neptune statistic is impressive. However, in 2019 the total distance driven on roads in the USA (all vehicles) was:

    3,261,772,000,000 miles.

    That is literally trillions miles! I may be losing track of the number of zeros here, but I think that is more than half a light year. If that is right then in roughly nine years, Americans drive the distance between the Sun and Proxima Centauri. Actual Star Trek distances.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Morningsider is right.

    One light-year is 9,460,730,472,580,800 metres – thus 9.461 trillion km. Divide by 1.609344 and you get 5.879 trillion miles.

    The USA statistic of 3,261,772 million miles is indeed equivalent to 3.261 trillion miles. That is utterly mad.

    Wikipedia tells me Proxima Centauri is 4.2465 light-years away, which is about 25 trillion miles; so in 2019 USAnians managed collectively to drive 13% of the way there. That is even utterlier mad. To put it another way, that's like driving from the Earth to the Sun ten times a day for a year, or driving from the Earth to the Moon and back again, every five seconds for a year.

    No wonder the planet is on fire.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. Tulyar
    Member

    Well as a resident of Central Glasgow, where barely 30% of households own a car, who has live there for 32 years, 24 years at the same address, I can report from observations that the main roads parallel to M8 (North Street/Newton Street) are only gridlocked for less than 4 hours/day, and largely deserted for much of the rest of the time. This being due to the fact that drivers (largely with free workplace parking?) all try to arrive or leave some 30,000 parking spaces (paid for & free) at the same times

    I was temporarily staying with a view of the M8 (Woodside Viaduct) for 5 months and at night the traffic count passing the view - both directions - was sometimes less than 1 VEHICLE
    per MINUTE

    On the A82 parking restrictions are not enforced because the plates have been 'removed' and so we've had one car (a 3 year old Ford Focus) lying for 6 months with a cracked windscreen and a flat tyre, on a single yellow line. Its now reappeared with a repaired tyre and windscreen and often sits for days without moving. Local intelligence suggest that the owner lives further West, but parks here because they don't have parking permit for the area they live in. It would be in interesting exercise to examine this and the owners of cars that are regularly blocking access to the 4.5m wide lane for the 3.5m width required for fire appliance access, and refuse collection trucks, including some that have not moved since 2016 and are SORN wrecks, slowly falling apart. They 'park here because they currently dodge paying for parking, and to secure that space one individual was leaving Dunblane at around 06.30 to arrive in Glasgow at 07.30, eat breakfast in the car, dump the rubbish in our garden, and walk in to work for 09.00, when he could have caught a train around 08.00, and been home at night by 18.30 rather than after 19.00 with the queuing to get on the M8 at night.

    I look forward to seeing some radical action to deliver fast P&R buses from place with parking on working days (EuroCentral, Ballieston Vue Cinema, The Fort Retail Park, Braehead Retail Park) as the work on the Woodside Viaduct and 'fragile' retaining walls on Charing Cross Cutting hits with closures and restrictions for the next 5 years, & see if this can break some commuter 'habits' (Braehead to Shields Road Subway Station - 8 minutes with perhaps 2-3 buses as SVR to run a 10 minute frequency service.... then walk, hire bike or subway to city centre

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    Is there really a war on the driver in 2023? As ever, it depends who you ask and what evidence you consider. Someone filling a large SUV with diesel can easily pay £50 in fuel duty for a single tank. But, at the same time, academic studies suggest that if you factor in all the societal costs of driving, everything from danger to pollution and the impact on the climate, then drivers are in fact heavily subsidised.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/28/the-war-on-motorists-the-secret-history-of-a-myth-as-old-as-cars-themselves

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. gembo
    Member

    Phoney Beatlemania. Still wins you votes wee Rishi thinks.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. ejstubbs
    Member

    @chdot: The author of that article has some other makes some other interesting points. For example:

    The Royal Automobile Club’s argument – curbing car use would be an attack on “the common man” – remains a central plank of modern “war on motorists” narratives. It is thus worth remembering that in 1905 at least, the exact opposite was true.

    Take the example of the UK’s other main motoring organisation, the AA, formed in 1905 with the specific goal of helping drivers dodge the law, using bicycle-riding “scouts” who would warn about speed traps. This was, understandably, a considerable annoyance to the police, and in 1909 the exasperated chief constable of Sussex police wrote to the Home Office to demand action. A civil servant had to tell him that the AA’s fast-growing membership included five members of the government, two archbishops, the leader of the opposition and several other chief constables. The complaint was quietly dropped.

    In other words, it was the wealthy/establishment/elite (take your pick) who had the government's ear when it came to attempting to curb motorist's illegal behaviour. Sound familiar?

    The term “jaywalking”, meaning a pedestrian crossing a street at an unofficial point, originated as an insult by car drivers, a “jay” being a country-dweller who did not know how to cope in a city. These were, the Washington Post opined in 1913, “men so accustomed to cutting across fields and village lots that they zigzag across city streets, scorning to keep to the crossings, ignoring their own safety”.

    Or to put it another way: proles, know your place.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. ejstubbs
    Member

    @gembo: He's getting some push back on his latest "culture wars" attack on the Welsh 20mph urban speed limit, with some people having the gall to point out that it was proposed by a Tory member of the Senedd, and a majority of Tory members voted to pass the legislation.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    it was proposed by a Tory member of the Senedd, and a majority of Tory members voted to pass the legislation

    FACTS don’t matter ahead of an election…

    Of course this is all the ‘only motorists vote’ narrative.

    The sub ‘belief’ is that people who drive ONLY care about parking and speed limits.

    Obviously this has never been true (probably not even for Tory voters) and, in spite of rhetoric and significant sections of the more rabid media, may actually be less true now.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    Rishi Sunak has pledged to end “anti-car measures” as he set out a series of ideas to prioritise the needs of drivers at the likely expense of other road users such as bus passengers, cyclists and pedestrians.

    Outlining what he called a “long-term plan to back drivers”, the prime minister unveiled a clampdown on 20mph limits, bus lanes, low-traffic neighbourhoods (LTNs), and the ability of councils to fine drivers who commit offences.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/29/rishi-sunak-plan-for-motorists-would-limit-travel-choices-campaigners-say

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. LaidBack
    Member

    But is he really committed to an increase in car use as driving fast should free up road space in between accidents? That's what the country needs! Lowering the driving age would be good too so children could do their own school run?

    After all there are only two types of voter. Car owners and those that are yet to buy a car!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. gembo
    Member

    You should also be allowed to drive whilst on your phone and eating a bowl of cornflakes, multi tasking and getting more work done, it is how the countries will move forward.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. nobrakes
    Member

    I’m pretty sure if you drive through a village at 60 mph (eg every few minutes in Stow as an example) you are less likely to kill kids because the time in the ‘danger zone’ through the village is vastly reduced. So really the limit should be upped to say 100mph to get cars out of the way quicker.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. gembo
    Member

    Also it is entirely ridiculous bureaucracy to have to have your vehicle which you have purchased or entered into a legitimate hire purchase agreement to be forced to have it subjected to a ludicrous MOT

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Why should I, a hard-pressed drivist, have to pay £30 for a tank of petrol when those electric drivists get power for free half the time? I think it would be a lot fairer if we just made petrol free too. I mean, the government makes plenty of money already from VAT.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. acsimpson
    Member

    While we're at it motorway road works where three lanes become 1 need to increase the speed limit not decrease it. There should be a 210mph limit through those area. It's just basic fluid dynamics.

    Any why should I have to go the long way round a roundabout when I'm turning right. It would be much shorter if I could just go right.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    How to increase car ownership

    Posted on August 31, 2023

    Hatred of cars is often based on the idea that they create inequality. But this viewpoint is marked by a high degree of hypocrisy. The main reason low-income households struggle to afford a vehicle is precisely because anti-car policymakers have imposed huge additional costs on car ownership.

    This is particularly reprehensible because increasing the population’s mobility would bring enormous economic benefits. Increased car ownership would improve access to job and business opportunities, enabling workers to find employment that better matches their skills and talents.

    https://transportwatch.wordpress.com/2023/08/31/how-to-increase-car-ownership/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    It comes after Fox featured on a show on the video streaming site Rumble on Tuesday encouraging people to destroy Ulez cameras and saying he would himself take an angle grinder to them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/04/laurence-fox-arrested-over-comments-urging-people-to-vandalise-ulez-cameras

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. MediumDave
    Member

    "Edinburgh City Council consider ban on 'gas-guzzling' SUVs"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-67133135

    (Siri, please insert the "Sickos" meme here)

    This is study of the the "M1 Abrahams" (sic) visibility:

    https://nitter.poast.org/FreckleEars/status/1624137853872574475

    So Cllr Booth's claim is only valid for the most obnoxious 'Murican pickups.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. mcairney
    Member

    That BBC article (with the almost comedically opposed Tory vs Green viewpoints) could be a sitcom sketch:

    Cllr Munro, who is a local councillor for Bruntsfield, said: "Somebody's job and how hard they work and what they choose to spend their money on is entirely down to them; that's their house, their vehicles, that's where they shop.

    Now it may be appropriate for a farmer in Fife to have a Land Rover, but it's not appropriate for a banker in Bruntsfield - if they don't also own a farm up in the Highlands - it's not appropriate for them to have a massive great gas guzzler," Cllr Booth added

    Where's Ron Swanson when you need him?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. Yodhrin
    Member

    You can buy whatever you want, doesn't mean society has to let you use it however you like, or that we can't impose additional costs on that ownership to make up for the harms you cause by doing so.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. gembo
    Member

    The Ron Swanson episode of The Last of Us is the best telly of 2023. Emmys here it comes.

    Also Go Chas.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    Rod King opens afternoon session of 20’s Plenty for Scotland Conference with a brief history of 20mph campaigning in the UK incl national default in Wales and casualty reductions in London. There is no war on motorists. 20mph IS the new urban norm.

    #20mphscot

    https://twitter.com/20splentyforus/status/1732767065860133116

    Posted 11 months ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    As it is, the only source of new money for many councils is traffic fines. A desperate Manchester council reveals it has raised £10m in penalties from just one bus lane in less than two years, while the City of London squeezed £8m from a single junction outside the Bank of England in one year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/29/british-politics-local-councils-ministers-town-hall-democracy

    Posted 10 months ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Speeding is at epidemic levels: a million tickets may be issued this year. The so-called “war on the motorist” — LTNs, Ulez and speed cameras — is anything but.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/cyclist-hit-and-run-death-london-mother-gao-gao-b1134162.html

    Posted 9 months ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    In the autumn Rishi Sunak said he was “slamming the brakes on the war on motorists”, insisting that the government would block “hare-brained schemes” such as “blanket 20mph speed limits”. He said the government would issue statutory guidance to councils to ensure 20mph zones would not be introduced without local consent.

    Since then, however, the expansion of 20mph limits has continued, with new schemes introduced or approved across the country. 20’s Plenty, a campaign group, estimates that up to 28 million people across the UK — about 40 per cent of the population — now live in council areas that have 20mph zones or plan to introduce them.

    https://archive.ph/EkJcX

    Posted 8 months ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    This is on top of rising frustrations with costly and cumbersome Low Traffic Neighbourhoods and the fact that 62 miles of cycle lanes were installed in the capital during the pandemic has led some to believe there is a 'war on motorists.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12536263/Eco-zealots-want-car-free-cities.html

    Posted 8 months ago #
  28. acsimpson
    Member

    @chdot, why do you post to articles like this. Clicking them just provides oxygen to their hate.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  29. gembo
    Member

    Assumed in London. I would never click on a daily Mail link even if posted by Illustrious Leader.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    I posted a quote and a link, because that’s the source.

    No requirement/incitement to click.

    Obviously ‘we’ know/believe the DM writes such stuff AND it’s read by a massive number of people - not all will agree.

    Sometimes it’s necessary to remember the scale of the problem…

    Posted 8 months ago #

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