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TRO Sub-committee
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Posted 4 months ago #
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"The data collected shows that the measures have regular levels of use and the reallocation of road space as part of programme has not had a negative impact on general traffic journey times."
Posted 4 months ago # -
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Cllr Graham (Lab) had the casting vote as Convenor. Sadly she decided that 2-way cycling on Rose St should be excluded from the orders. All despite very good reasoning from Cllrs Staniforth & Lang that 2-way cycling is a non-issue, & if anything further restrictions should be on motors
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https://bsky.app/profile/blackfordsaferoutes.co.uk/post/3ma445r4e3c2z
Posted 4 months ago # -
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The inexperience and overreach of the TRO subcommittee shows its ugly head again
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https://bsky.app/profile/blackfordsaferoutes.co.uk/post/3ma44jnaa7s2z
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Weird voting: 1 Libdem for, one against“
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I believe the decision on Rose St was a continuance - delayed to another meeting - rather than an outright no.
Posted 4 months ago # -
Rose Street is a core path, so does a one way TRO currently override cyclists' non-motorised access rights from the opposite direction?
Posted 4 months ago # -
Yes, I believe it does.
@Morningsider can probably rattle off chapter and verse.
Posted 4 months ago # -
Interesting. Section 1 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 (“the 2003 Act”) grants extensive access rights to cyclists. However, Section 6 of the 2003 Act states that these rights are not exercisable over land “to which public access is, by or under any enactment other than this Act, prohibited, excluded or restricted”. This means that access rights do not normally trump restrictions imposed by a Traffic Regulation Order or Redetermination Order (made under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and associated regulations).
That said, Section 7 of the 2003 Act includes a provision stating that “Section 6 above does not prevent or restrict the exercise of access rights over any land which is a core path” subject to two specific exemptions relating to outbreaks of animal disease or where a local authority has, by Order, exempted the land from access rights under powers set out in Section 11 of the 2003 Act.
In effect, this means that the exemptions that usually apply to access rights do not apply to core paths. One result could be that a TRO imposed prohibition on cycling a particular direction along a street probably does not apply to a street designated as a core path, but only where such cycling can be undertaken in a responsible manner. What constitutes “responsible” in such cases would ultimately be a matter for the courts. The fact that cycling one way along a street is considered acceptable by a Council would seem to blow up any argument that cycling on that street is in some way irresponsible, given that it is officially condoned. Although I'm sure some kind of argument could be made in its favour.
This may seem a bit of a legislative mess (it is), but I suspect the drafters of the 2003 Act never considered that a local authority would designate city centre streets as core paths. There simply isn't a need to do so as public access isn't a problem, unlike in many rural areas - which is where the law was really aimed.
Posted 4 months ago # -
Green councillors have an amendment at full council tomorrow which would have the effect of abolishing #edincouncil TRO Sub-committee.
This committee has been a block to progress on #activetravel & sustainable transport for too long, making decisions contrary to policy. It must go.
1/2This amendment is technical, but would mean that all TROs would be decided by council officers unless there is a statutory requirement for a hearing. This only occurs where there’s an unresolved objection to a loading restriction or a one-way street, or a couple of other rare cases.
2/2Posted 4 months ago # -
SNP will back this amendment
Will other parties be whipped to support TRO Sub-Committee??
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Posted 4 months ago #
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Green amendment fell. Long live the TRO-subcommittee.
Posted 4 months ago # -
On the plus side, I got my 20m of double-yellow on Eyre Place.
Posted 4 months ago # -
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In total, Scottish government decisions have significant impacts on what happens in local council areas. Additional to funding, other examples are the lack of powers for councils to enforce bus lanes by bus-mounted cameras, and (see below) the lengthy delays incurred when certain traffic order objections legally have to be referred for government hearings.
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After much angst and months of delay, the notorious TRO Subcommittee, only as the legal deadline loomed, finally made permanent the parking-restriction Orders* which enable Edinburgh’s ‘Travelling Safely’ main-road ‘bollarded’ routes to exist – previously the Orders were Experimental [*except a few South Edinburgh orders which are dated to be decided in 2026]. Now, over the next few years, these routes will progressively be upgraded to form a major element of the Primary Network. Appendix 27 of the massive report to TRO Sub lays out the provisional timetable, with north, west and east complete by 2028/29 but South not until 2030/2034.
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http://www.spokes.org.uk/2026/01/2025-2026-what-for-edinburgh-cycling-policy-action/
Posted 3 months ago # -
We've had confirmation from officers that not only is ETRO 21/29D Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route up for TRO Sub on 12th of May, so are:
- ETRO 21/29B Braid Rd
- ETRO 21/29C Comiston Rd
Key day for cycling in the south of the city.
Posted 1 day ago # -
I have a bad feeling in my water
Posted 17 hours ago # -
You should get that looked at...
Is this hope, or mere youthful naïvety?
(I turn 40 this year - do I have to stop calling myself youthful yet?)
Posted 13 hours ago # -
40 is the new 20 dependent on wind direction
Posted 6 hours ago # -
- ETRO 21/29C Comiston Rd
I thought I remembered some recentish vote in which SfP measures in Edinburgh including Comiston Road were to be made permanent. Did I imagine it? I don't really understand the TRO/ETRO process but the cycle lane up Comiston Road is the best thing that ever happened to it.
Posted 3 hours ago # -
Originally, all the stuff in the South of the city was published under 21/29 -
Buccleuch Street corridor (including Lothian Street, Potterrow and Chapel Street)
Causewayside corridor (including Ratcliffe Terrace)
Craigmillar Park corridor (including Minto Street, Mayfield Gardens and Suffolk Road)
Gilmerton Road
Mayfield Road
Old Dalkeith RoadPLUS Greenbank to Meadows, Comiston Rd, Braid Rd.
The Lib Dems successfully argued that some of the schemes should be spun out into their own ETROs. So the list became:
21/29B - Braid Rd
21/29C - Comiston Rd
21/29D - Greenbank to Meadows
21/29A - The rest of 'South' minus the above.The last one - 29A - was heard at TRO Sub in Dec 2025 and was made permanent.
The remainder all share the same expiry date - 15th June 2026. They are all coming to TRO Sub on the 12th to be made permanent, in whole, part or not at all.
By this same logic, the Silverknowes scheme that was also spun out (from West?) should be heard at TRO Sub at some point, but I have less self-interest in that one and have selfishly not looked into it.
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Nerd update: Silverknowes:
ETRO/21/30C was subsequently brought into operation on 11 August 2025. Comments or objections to the ETRO can be submitted until 10 February 2026
Notably this replaced 30B around May of 2025; I'm not sure of the story there. This is the Spokes response to 30C, currently active.
This would put its expiry around 10th February 2027.
Posted 3 hours ago # -
I've seen lichens grow faster than Edinburgh's ability to build bike infrastructure.
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