Ill never get over that on a 'bent :(
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How can Edinburgh (ever) be a world class cycling city??
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More room at the other end -
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It looks like it's bolted down using an allen key - what say we go round there with a cycle toolbox and shorten it by one or 2 sections? If we put fluorescent vests on, tuck a Daily Star into the back pocket and if one of us stands about eating a selection of savouries from Greggs we'll look just like cooncil workmen and nobody will be any the wiser.
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I like that plan - a more extreme version of this: http://www.blipfoto.com/view.php?id=630849&month=7&year=2010
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A candidate for facility of the month? ... This is more Edinburgh
We've all at one time or another been taking photos of odd bits of poor cycle infrastructure. How about we do a long-overdue update of Fear and Lothian: Edinburgh's Cycle Facilities? Last updated only 11 years ago (but then, look at that marvellous spread of red paint on Marchmont Rd!)
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How about we do a long-overdue update of Fear and Lothian: Edinburgh's Cycle Facilities? Last updated only 11 years ago!
I did start a new version of that at one point, letting councillors know about it and so on, but I knew too few Edinburgh cyclists to make it work properly.
That first one at King Stable's Road is still just as awful!
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"Fear and Lothian: Edinburgh's Cycle Facilities"
Ah yes.
I'm surprised that is still there the Glasgow equivalent 'disappeared' - Glasgow Council very upset. CEC remained/s aloof.
Web site creator moved to Canada.
But yes something should be done.
MEANWHILE -
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Im up for the gregs eating duties, hungry this morning!
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Whatever the 'solution' it will need double yellow lines to protect it -
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Beware of photographing near cooncil works, especially if the shovel-weilding Star readers are hard at it <cough>. I had a very odd run-in one Sunday morning last year. I was at the Russell Road end of the Roseburn path, on the elevated bit, looking out towards Tynecastle and beyond. I got my camera out to take some images of this vista, and after about half a minute became dimly aware of some guttural yelps being directed at me by a workman who was part of a team that appeared to be resurfacing the road below. "Hoi! Nae pictures!! Youse no' allowed tae take pictures!!!". I tried to explain that I wasn't taking pictures of them, but their self-appointed media liason officer was having none of it, despite being ...well, wrong.
I walk along Russell Road reasonably frequently, and I have since spotted some parts where the surface has a consistency (and durability, I would guess) of marzipan, so I did wonder if there was some...shall we say...sub-optimal working practices going on while I was there...
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Hope you got a picture.
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That's bizarre. I've lived places where you're not allowed to take pictures of airports, military installations, old tanks etc but I've never heard of roadworks being 'out of bounds'. Gives you a sense of how persecuted council workers must feel!
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It's also wrong. There are plenty of photographers' rights websites nowadays to refer to.
I've always fancied asking for a picture of someone saying that you can't take photos ;-)
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I've always fancied asking for a picture of someone saying that you can't take photos ;-)
I think Anth or a friend of his got just that at Multrees Walk last year.
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I've always fancied asking for a picture of someone saying that you can't take photos ;-)
I think Anth or a friend of his got just that at Multrees Walk last year.
Yip, friend of mine - they backed down after a fairly low key photo flashmob (organised in part by yours truly... *smug*)
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It was also StevieFish who once mentioned being shouted at by some workies ripping up the road near his house when he tried to photograph the work in the nice morning light. Surprised he didn't get more hassle for photographing the burst water main for that picture the EEN printed.
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I got ticked off at Christmas for taking a mobile phone photo in Tesco of empty bread shelves. Security guard (the sort who stands at the door to deter shoplifting from the sweetie display) offered various explanations including "for child protection purposes" or "Tesco has the copyright for anything you could photograph". I said I was happy not to take a photo if they had a policy against it but he wasn't sure if they did.
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That's the thing, you CAN have a policy on private ground against photos being taken, but more often than not you get some ridiculous excuses (like child protection and everything, empty bread shelves are just a magnet for children and if those nasty men in macs know where the bread shelves are empty...) which deserve to be ridiculed.
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Anth, i would totally agree if it weren't for this bizarre news story.
Actually, I still don't think this is a reasonable reason, but it does vaguely explain why the security guard might say that.
To my mind it just confirms that there is a common mentality here as in various African and Middle Eastern countries where photo restrictions are common. The diff is just that here court rulings against such policies are upheld!
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The law is actually fairly straightforward (as laws go) but as ever it's the (mis)interpretation by security guards, jobsworths and even the police that have made this all very controversial. Basically, as I understand it the only prohibited sites are military camps/bases, airports and nuclear power stations like Torness. The 'military' tag can be applied to some government admin offices and research stations. All those aside, one can take pictures of anything with two provisos:
(i) you are not on private land, and
(ii) you are not compromising anyone's privacy.
Hence shopping centre staff can ask you to leave (but no-one can confiscate equipment or insist that you delete images - all they can do is call the police).The bigger question arises if you were to broadcast the images and/or use them for commmercial purposes, wherein all sorts of copyright issues can arise. For example, did you know that the lights that illuminate the Eiffel tower enjoy controlled image rights, such that any image taken of them and used commerically should negotiate with the lighting/tower people first? Oddly, an unilluminated tower image has no such restrictions...
So I guess my original Russell Road workies were image rights controlled individuals working on developing top secret nuclear powered tarmac... surrounded by private land ...with copyrighted lighting...
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So is it OK to photograph - say - Torness so long as it's from Public Land? What an icon of 80s industrial architecture gone wrong!
Just had a thought that it's also illegal to photograph a protected species by disturbing it's habitat. I did some work with the RPSB a few years back on Capercaillie and was licenced by SNH to take video footage (nest monitoring covert cameras disguised as heather!). Anyway, I wasn't licenced to take stills so could have been prosecuted if I had used my digital camera - hence I have no photos of any of the Capercaillie nests we found :(
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Kaputnik: So is it OK to photograph - say - Torness so long as it's from Public Land?
No, sorry, I've mislead you maybe. I don't think you can photograph Torness, or an airport, or a military base from any location, public or private. But my understanding is that you can take a picture of just about anything else from public land (hence the paparazzi get away with telephoto shots of scantily-clad celebs by the poolside as long as the paps are shooting from a public location).Posted 14 years ago # -
Oh dear, I've got about 20-odd photos of Torness on my hard drive. I'll be in good company in the cells, though - potential for a nice singalong.
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I've now read up on some of these "photographers' rights" charters.
My (probably wrong) interpretation is that it's not illegal to take the photo from public land so long as it's not for the purposes of causing terrorism or threatening the realm. I'm not sure if you need to prove you're not a terrorist or if they need to prove you are.
So, who's for a nice ride down to Dunbar with the telephoto lenses and binoculars for a spot of photography? :) we can test my legal skills wot I read on the internets
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See here: http://photographernotaterrorist.org/map/
Zoom in to Edinburgh to see that Torness, Edinburgh Airport and (unbeknowns to me) Grangemouth are all off limits, photography wise.
The clue to all this is in the text below the map; you may not be stopped from taking photos "..however, photographing in or around these areas may be subject to additional attention from bored security guards or police officers".
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Kaputnik: "I'm not sure if you need to prove you're not a terrorist or if they need to prove you are."
The police got a lot of criticism for using anti-terrorism powers as a catch-all for stopping photography by anyone they didn't like the look of. It spawned the "I'm a photographer, not a terrorist" web site (see my previous link).Recent (2010) statements by some police force commissioners would seem to indicate that they want their officers to think twice before citing anti-terrorist reasons, which is good news, but I still keep a copy of the IAPNAT 'Bust Card' in my back pocket...
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Thanks IMK - interesting that one is not allowed to photograph these things (is sketching allowed?) but you can get lovely aerial views in minute detail off of google!
Posted 14 years ago # -
"It's similar to the OTT blockades they put up in Moray Place which meant unnecessary dismounting was required."
How long since this was sorted??
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