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A Lothian Road Cyclist Survey (ish)

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  • Started 12 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. I stood at the junction of Lothian Road and Morrison Street this morning from 8.15-8.30 taking pics of every cyclist that went by (I think I missed 2) and went threough the photos for some statistical research. The result is... I think I should do an hour stint and then have time to go through things in detail at home, but the results from this morning may make interesting reading.

    For the avoidance of doubt I counted 'normal' clothing as no cycling shoes or lycra, but included those who were wearing a helmet and/or hi-viz jacket/band but were otherwise in 'civvy' attire.

    42 cyclists

    Clothing/Safety Gear

    30 helmets (71%)
    27 'normal' (64%)
    13 hi-viz (31%)
    12 lycra tops (29%)
    7 lycra shorts (17%)

    Interestingly in the first 10 minutes there was only one bare-headed cyclsit, then a glut swelled the numbers in the last 5 minutes.

    One lycra top was a Paris-Brest-Paris number, and if I'd done that I'd want to show it off whenever I could as well.

    Type of Bike

    23 hybrids (55%)
    10 mtbs (24%)
    8 racers (19%)
    1 singlespeed/fixed (2%)

    There was often a blurred line between MTB and Hybrid, but I erred on the side of hybrid if it looked like an MTB that had been moved onto slicks. Equally a 'racer' with a flat bar I classed a hybrid.

    Have to say, 42 cyclists in 15 minutes isn't bad - but it sure isn't 'model cycling city' stuff (especially when the bus lane heading south was blocked by roadworks with no cyclist provision made). More 'normals' than I expected, perhaps I've become blinded to the fact that beneath the hi-viz people are, very very often, dressed for the day, not for the cycle. It will be very interesting to see if the splits are replicated on a longer viewing stint.

    Any other stats I should be looking for? (and I can apply to this sample as I still have the photos).

    Oh, and if I'd counted me...

    No Helmet
    No hi-viz (my t-shirt this morning was orange, but not 'deliberately' hi-viz)
    Not 'normal' (cycling shoes)
    No lycra
    On a 'racer'

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. wingpig
    Member

    Have you never heard of Venn diagrams?

    Regarding the volume, one thing which always strikes me on every video or picture of London-based cycle interaction fun is that there are always several cycles in frame. I have to really carefully time my approach to Earl Gray/Lothian Road to encounter a significant agglomeration of other cyclists.

    Wonder what my T-shirt would be counted as - baggy, but cycle-specifically branded, though made from sciencey-weave polyester rather than Lycra™.

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  3. @wingpig, I'd never class you as 'normal'... :P

    Venn diagram is a good idea - I think I'll save that one for the big survey. More detailed than a Spokes count... ;)

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  4. amir
    Member

    Luggage type - rucksac/backpack/saddle bag ...
    Gender
    mitts
    amount of clothing
    SCR factor

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  5. Nice suggestions Amir, especially the gender (d'oh, how could I forget that?) and luggage ideas.

    Got a nice 'comparison' shot this morning with two very different cyclists in one frame. One in shorts, t-shirt, no helmet - the other in helmet with hi-viz cover, cycling glasses, hi-viz gloves.

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  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    One lycra top was a Paris-Brest-Paris number

    I know who that is from ERC, I pass him most mornings and give him a wave. He and his wife do PBP and Audax by tandem. Also holds a couple of national 24 hour TTT gongs I think. Dave will most likely know who it is too.

    You will have missed me as I cut onto Morrison Street from Ponton then Semple Street, as you cannot get on from Lothian Road with a left turn.

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  7. wingpig
    Member

    Looking more deeply into the nature of the cycles but not specifically using SCR categorisations or scoring: counting by wheel size, tyre knobbliness and width, mudguardability, cage-provision, suspense, luggage-fitment capability and other general out-of-the-boxness, assessing whether something is in the state it was originally sold in (matching tyres/wheels/cables) (perhaps with an additional check for "obviously this year's CTW purchase") or exhibiting signs of having either been Bike Stationed or otherwise patched (such as my mismatching wheels, varicolored cables, unpaired mudguards and obviously-not-as-sold rack).

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  8. @wingpig, that's definitely detail that can be gone into by simply taking pictures of all of the riders, rather than relying on counting at the time. This is good stuff.

    @kaputnik, well you can tell him that he was spotted, and that the PBP jersey was noticed!

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  9. Smudge
    Member

    No "Road" bikes then ;-))

    I'm not sure about the "cycling shoes" over-riding all other clothes, fer instance, this morning I was wearing a walking fleece, baggy walking shorts and sandals (I know, I know, what a fashion victim!) so to all and sundry I appeared to be wearing non cycling clothes, but the sandals are shimanos (SPD) so under your rules I wasn't wearing "normal" clothes :-/

    Surely it would be better in this case to go on the general appearance? Eg. normal style clothes or obviously cycle specific clothes?

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  10. wingpig
    Member

    Perhaps split the shoes by those which look able to be walked in reasonably naturally and those which make you sound like a foley artist pretending to be a robot...

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  11. @Smudge, you class sandals as 'normal'??? ;)

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  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Unless it's full on Look/road pedals, it can be hard to tell if a shoe is an SPD shoe or just a Merrel or similar "walking trainer" type thing.

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  13. Smudge
    Member

    @anth at work
    H*ll no! But it seemed a shame not to break them out now the temp is almost bearable outside ;-)

    I don't consider football fans normal either but it seems I'm outnumbered on that one :-/

    ;-)

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  14. chdot
    Admin

    Given all previous comments, are shoes - even if 100% identifiable - a useful 'factor' when you have so many other variables.

    There must be people who wear 'normal' work clothes as commuters but use the SPDs that they would for their 'leisure' cycling.

    Clearly we need to stop 1 in 10 and interrogate them about their intentions and fashion/practicality decisions!

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  15. amir
    Member

    Shame you can't get the squeekiness of the bikes from photos - but this is definitely something that varies between cyclists (and may be associated with other factors).

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    Colour?

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  17. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Looking more deeply into the nature of the cycles but not specifically using SCR categorisations or scoring...

    Perhaps the survey ought to be carried out in accordance with the CCE Top Trumps methodology?

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  18. Nelly
    Member

    Retro or Modern

    And on bike types, how about - Recumbents, Trike, Tagalongs, Chariots (if you stand there at midnight on a friday!) etc

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. Those bike types would have been added this morning if I'd seen any! ;)

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  20. Smudge
    Member

    "Retro or Modern"

    There's a whole new debate on classification right there ;-) :-)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. cb
    Member

    "There's a whole new debate on classification right there"

    Yeah, the racer category was controversial enough!

    Interesting reading. Looking forward to phase 2.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    When is a 'road bike' not a 'racer' and vice versa?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. You obviously missed this thread Crowriver... ;)

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  24. SRD
    Moderator

    anth - curious to know the genderr breakdown. Ta

    Posted 12 years ago #

  25. Trackstand by blackpuddinonnabike, on Flickr

    To be fair to this chap he held the trackstand pretty well - it was also obvious he'd seen my snapping away and was showing off...


    Fitted Helmet by blackpuddinonnabike, on Flickr

    Probably best to adjust this properly if it's going to have any effect.


    Contrasting Styles by blackpuddinonnabike, on Flickr

    Contrasts, though both had headphones in.


    Filtering by blackpuddinonnabike, on Flickr

    Filtering was more confident than this photo makes it look.


    Flowery by blackpuddinonnabike, on Flickr

    Here we go, some proper Copenhagenization, unlike...


    The Fly by blackpuddinonnabike, on Flickr

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  26. amir
    Member

    Last one is carrying someone on his back.

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  27. amir
    Member

    "Probably best to adjust this properly if it's going to have any effect."

    Perhaps you could record angle of helmet (appropriate vs jaunty).

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  28. The survey moved to Melville Drive/Middle Meadow Walk this morning. Roughly the same time period - yesterday 8.15 to 8.30 gave 42 cyclists; today 8.12 to 8.30 gave... 109 cyclists! Got all the photos to go through to pull out the data, but will get there tonight!

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  29. Actually, might try to do the breakdown at lunchtime. At a rough guess I'd say about 35-40% were female, 75% were wearing helmets, and there were two folders. It'll be interesting to see if those observations bear up...

    I think what I might do are a series of these for the rest of the week in different locations and then collate the figures together for a reasonably representative sample (then offer the results to Spokes). Of course these stats are only really relevant to July, with the schools off and the uni students away, with the weather dry. The stats are incredibly subject to sway!

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  30. steveo
    Member

    Where next? West End?

    Be interesting to repeat the experiment in October/November.

    Cue lines of CCEers going round the block in different attire to try and skew results.

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