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Buying a new car for bike reasons...

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  • Started 12 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. We were test driving a new car at the weekend. As most people will know we've got a Mini, which is absolutely fab, and flies in the face of 'impractical' accusations by having quite happily taken us all over the country and into France with a loaded up, seats-folded, boot.

    But. When it comes to bikes it's a bit of a pain. Roof racks scratch roofs (certainly did on our first Mini) and the boot carrier we used for the Western Isles dented the boot (and scratched the bumper). So are we seriously looking at a different car to make carrying bieks easier?

    Damn skippy we are.

    Of course it won't be much of a change. Mini Clubman (Cooper S). Roof rails. Hurrah! roof bars, bike carriers, job's a good 'un. Weekend cycles with Mel will suddenly become an option again.

    This will seem strange to many as there is a (dare I say slightly arrogant?) school of thought in cycling circles that you just ride form your house, you don't take the bikes somewhere to cycle. What this pre-supposes is that both members of the car-pool are cyclists, and confident cyclists at that. Mel has hated riding on Edinburgh's roads ever since Saxo-boy tried to (deliberately) hit me with his car, and routes directly from the house all necessarily involve some busy roads, and soon become a little monotonous.

    Taking the cars up to Loch Leven, or Kinloch Rannoch (an old favourite route) we can get away from the urban cycling atmosphere, and can start working on Mel's confidence on a bike again, in a way that the Trinity paths helped when we lived there (could do the house to Cramond, or out to South Queensferry almost entirely off-road or on quieter routes).

    Oh. And for our French escapades we can fit more wine in the boot (the space is astonishingly bigger inside given the car is only about 20cm longer...)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. amir
    Member

    Last time we replaced our car, we spent considerable time looking for the right one. In the end we just replaced it with another Honda Jazz. The reasons being that you can easily slot two bikes in the back upright plus luggage for a couple of weeks hols for 2. I prefer to have the bikes inside (don't get dirty, don't get stolen, and don't reduce the fuel performance). It also has far better fuel economy than most cars that can do this.

    One day perhaps we'll be weaned off the car but until then I will strive to do more miles on the bike.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. wingpig
    Member

    "(dare I say slightly arrogant?)"

    It's another example of a visible minority attracting the attention of a vocal minority and spoiling it for the rest. I daresay people-who-think-themselves proper cyclists might deem people who only drive-to-cycle as improper cyclists, though it could be because the drive-to-cycle cyclists' only cycles are knobble-tyred full-bouncing MTBs which don't work on roads where their owners live. Though you're not going to see them as much as Glentress-bound MTBers in the city there must surely be drive-to-cycle cyclists who live in remote cottages at the ends of bumpy farm tracks, who have to drive to the nearest flattish tarmac road before unfastening their skinny-wheel road bikes.

    It's the inconvenience of drive-to-cycle which gives me the willies. I hate driving, worry about leaving the car somewhere stealable or please-break-into-me-tastic (especially remote places or non-official-car-parks), fear everything falling off and simultaneously causing an accident, causing lots of expensive damage and being destroyed when using the rear rack thing, fret about everything being safely reconstituted at the destination after being disassembled for transport and then worry/fret about the reverse in reverse order on the return journey. It would turn a nice cycle into a big faffing-operation.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. The fuel performance issue is, well, an issue. Annoyingly Mini do have a bike rack which can be integrated into the bumper which keeps the bikes further out of the airflow, but it's not available for the standard hatch (and I can't put a tow bar on an S cos it has centrally mounted exhaust pipes, which look cool, but still, grrrr!).

    Mel had started to ride to work, with me chaperoning, though she'd occasionally ride home herself (I worried like an over-protective parent), before the Saxo incident. I'm hoping if we can get riding more often again she might give it another shot. At the moment bussing to work is possible for her, but it takes twice as long, and the area her office is near isn't somewhere late-night-in-the-dark wandering to a stop and hanging about would be advised...

    Plus, unpopular a position though it is on a cycling forum, I do actually enjoy driving, and enjoy having a fun car. Weekends only, and with a purpose (hillwalking and the like), having it does make life easier a lot of the time (other lifestyles and needs are available).

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. It would turn a nice cycle into a big faffing-operation.

    That's why I like roof racks. Much more secure and no disassembly of the bikes.

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  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'd like to second Amir's choice of car, as I've made use of its ample cycle-storage space to get to an early morning Audax start.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with going somewhere to cycle if you can't cycle for whatever reason - don't get me wrong, I'd much rather cycle than drive anywhere - but sometimes it's just not practical. If you're doing a Sportive or an Audax or a Race, or whatever, and are saving yourself for the event, I guess that's not really any different than driving to Glentress to play in the mud when it comes down to it.

    But best not to make too much of a habit of it :)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. Like I say, the endpoint is hopefully that it actually reduces the use of the car in the long-term. Just seems strange, buying a car in order to do that.

    As for choice of car - won't be swayed on that I'm afraid, for the aforementioned 'enjoyment of driving' reasons... ;)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. splitshift
    Member

    buy a van ! like i said elsewhere, a transit sized van can carry hundreds of wine,bikes, people in almost any combination you can imagine ! Most come with almost efficient diesel power and saxo boy keeps out of their way ! esp if white and covered in dents !
    cycle to cycle or drive to cycle ? who cares ? just enjoy yourself !

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  9. Arellcat
    Moderator

    When I went to Cyclefest in 2004, I had a look at the vehicles other people had used. I especially remember someone (who may even have been Mike Harrison) unloading a trike from a seemingly caverous Citroen Berlingo. I think it was a similar vehicle that a friend of mine hired to transport a trike and three bicycles to a show.

    Of course, I don't suppose a Berlingo is going to be the first choice towards a 'driving machine', though I daresay Sabine Schmitz could wring its neck.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. Put me in my Mini Cooper S, and Sabine in a Reliant Robin, send us both round the Nurburgring, and I know who would win... (hint: not me)

    Always think Top Gear missed a trick not making her a guest presenter.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    Lots of cyclists drive cars. The majority I'd say. Those that see cycling as a sport even more so.

    I'm part of a (so far) tiny minority that choose to live car free. I don't own a car, don't drive, instead cycling and using the train, occasionally a bus. I'm not what I would call a 'serious' cyclist. I can't be as I don't own any bikes that are worth anything much.

    Mostly I'm a utility cyclist, with a few day rides and a bit of cycle camping thrown in. Would like to do a bit more serious touring at one point, and maybe a brevet or three once I'm ready. Probably need some better bikes first, though!

    One advantage of not running a car is I should be able to afford them. Just need to get a garage sorted...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. Dave
    Member

    We lost a bike off the (otherwise apparently invincible) Thule bike racks fitted to the roof rails of our estate, since when we've started putting them inside (fine, you just need to take off the front wheels and they sit upright).

    Luckily the car behind was able to stop and doubly lucky that we hadn't joined the motorway (we were about 30 minutes from a Friday night run down the M6).

    Be careful...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. wingpig
    Member

    Hmm. I was going to say something about not being able to constantly watch bikes on a roof rack the way you can when they're obscuring the view to the rear and that there would therefore be no warning of there being a problem until there was a crunch and squeal from behind but was worried that I'd've come over a bit paranoid.

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  14. Morningsider
    Member

    wingpig - not paranoid at all. I once saw someone load a new/repaired bike from Halfords at Straiton onto a roof mounted bike rack and drive it straight into the high vehicles barrier at the car park entrance. Ripped the carrier and bike off the roof, smashed car lights, dented bodywork etc.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. Now Dave, you know as well as anyone that anecdote does not equal data... ;)

    I wonder what the actual stats are for bikes leaving the safety of the roof carrier without external circumstances (such as driving into a low roof etc).

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Dave
    Member

    No indeed. In our case we think the plastic retaining strap that holds the wheels on the tray had fatigued (or perhaps UV damage?). Once it snapped, the wind was able to work at the front of the bike and at some point after, the rest of it went.

    My point was not that all bike racks are unsafe, just that they aren't foolproof either. One could easily cause a Hatfield-style crash by shedding a bike in the fast lane and it would be nobody's fault but one's own.

    The only possibility would be to claim the bike was already in the road and "he came out of nowhere" (then rapidly limped off). That way you'd be able to bargain it down to a handful of points and a wee fine.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. amir
    Member

    "Now Dave, you know as well as anyone that anecdote does not equal data... ;) "

    Ah but it's not really about reality, it's perception ...

    When I have carried bikes on the back before, I've been so nervous about something happening. If the bikes are the real priority, put them inside in luxury where they belong. If you have luggage or pets or kids .. put them on the roof.

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  18. The one time I've seen bikes coming off a car it was a boot-mounted carrier. Like you say it's perception - I've personally always felt more relaxed with them on the roof.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. LaidBack
    Member

    Don't bikes on your roof create drag - thus making your drive less green?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. kaputnik
    Moderator

    LaidBack - yes to counteract this you need to wear an aerohelmet at the wheel and turn your windscreen wipers inside out.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. LaidBack
    Member

    I was thinking aero seatposts and low profile stuff would be useful for bikes that travel by car. Worth doing if it saves petrol ;-)

    Could have an award for the best performing bike on a car roof....

    Posted 12 years ago #
  22. amir
    Member

    To help measure air resistance, you could simply count the flies splatted on the bike.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    Nah, clearly to reduce drag you need a huge perspex aero fairing at the front of the roof, and a big spoiler at the back to stop the car taking off. Adding side skirts and a front spolier will help to create a hovercraft effect so the vehicle will float over the road, negating the extra weight caused by the bikes...

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  24. Arellcat
    Moderator

    ...to reduce drag you need a huge perspex aero fairing at the front of the roof, a big spoiler at the back ... side skirts and a front spoiler...

    Sounds like someone's being reading ecomodder.com :-) Though you need the blunt end first and the long, pointy bit at the back to reduce negative pressure vortices.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  25. wingpig
    Member

    You could use something other than (lighter than) perspex for the fairing; if it was just over the bikes on the roof there'd be no need for it to be transparent.

    Sidewinds are rarely relevant at driving-speeds but racks which allowed bikes to be mounted side-to-roof would reduce the area exposed to and leverage of side-gusts, improving handling and reduce the height above the roof requiring fairinging.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  26. Et voila...


    Untitled by blackpuddinonnabike, on Flickr

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  27. Min
    Member

    Nice transport collection.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  28. Smudge
    Member

    @Arrelcat, great link! B-)

    (Though I do feel a bit hypocritical saying that having just put my series landrover into our garage ready to start sorting it out :-/ )

    Posted 12 years ago #
  29. gembo
    Member

    Sometimes I think a Winnebago is the answer. A house, a motorised vehicle and a way of transporting bikes easily, they sit nicely on the back - all in a single entity

    Posted 12 years ago #
  30. You might be onto something there gembo...

    Looks like being used again tonight, taking the bikes down to Granton and going for a ride along the prom/esplanade to Cramond and back.

    We got out on Sunday up to Loch Leven and had a ride round (well, as far round as you can go - really nice route, it'll be great if they complete the loop).

    Posted 12 years ago #

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