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Round the Forth (NCN route 76)

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  1. Roibeard
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    I'm planning an anniversary trip with my wife, and hope to tackle most of the "Round the Forth" route - 76 to Queensferry, across the Forth Bridge, then 76 again to Alloa, Devon Way to Tillicoultry (for the night) and back, 76 to Stirling, Grangemouth and Queensferry, then Dalmeny Railway Path to Newbridge, and across to the Union Canal for the final run home.

    I've had a look on the Sustrans maps and Google street view to scout it out, but anyone got any tips or suggestions for this one?

    110 miles in 3 days might not be challenging to many here, but it'll be our first cycle tour and the first serious tandem outing, so feel free to state the obvious!

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. kaputnik
    Moderator

    My tip is don't take 76 to Alloa from Dunfermline, take the 764.

    Ruggtomcat tried the recumbent on the 76 route when we did it. Not much fun. Not much fun on my tourer either.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Roibeard
    Member

    I'd spotted that there was some comment about the 76 route from Dunfermline to Rosyth not being good (can't find that on the Sustrans website, so it might have been one of the "interim" bits).

    I wasn't planning on going as far as Dunfermline, just straight into Rosyth, which didn't seem pretty but the bits beyond towards Limekilns and Crombie seemed better.

    The 764 looks longer by eye - what spoilt the fun?

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Roibeard
    Member

    Just roughly checked and actually the 764 looks about 2 miles shorter - was it the up and down nature of the 76 compared to the single up (to Dunfermline) and down of the 764?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    Roibeard - on a tandem if you follow the exact route of the 76 you will be taken on a circuitous vicous of recirculation as James Joyce would have said. It is quite fun on a hybrid but a bit steep up and down and roundabout for a tandem. This is the stretch between Charlestown and Culross. You could cut out some of the meanders by staying on the road. It can be busy. Culross has a great cafe above the art gallery. The stretch from the bridge down to the dockyard at Rosyth is OK. After Culross I think they have now put in all new path until Alloa. Beyond Alloa there was a stretch that went right down to the forth and involved getting off and pushing for about a mile [near whisky bonding]. I like the route but it is classic Sustrans mix of great stretches on disused roads, custom made paths, massive detours to avoid short stretches of busy road,bits through people's back gardens etc. This bizarre smorgasbord is not everyone's cup of tea.

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  6. DaveC
    Member

    I second the tip to take the 764. Nice straight, flat and traffic free. The nly down side is a lack of cafe's but you could try Oakley half way along. Over the bridge, donw twards Rosyth and then up the 65 through Pitencreif Park and up to join the 764. Sustrans has a warning triangle on the 65 but honestly having driven and cycled this route a few times (I live locally) its a quest route with one corner which is blind but traffic know this and you'll be fine.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. Roibeard
    Member

    @Gembo Beyond Alloa there was a stretch that went right down to the forth and involved getting off and pushing for about a mile [near whisky bonding].

    This bit is now marked as a local route - with the closure of the old Alloa road, it is now used as the 76, parallel to the new road.

    Votes are definitely building for the 764 - I'll "walk" the onroad sections using Google to scope the route from the FRB to Dunfermline. Anyone remember what we did before Google and t'internet?

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    Robert

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  8. gembo
    Member

    Roibeard - good to know as that was a footer. Looks like Dave C has come in with the necessary local knowledge

    I noticed you were coming back the same way as you went out, which is also how I would do it. The south side of the Forth is longer and the route 76 very circuitous. It is possible to make it up from Grangemouth to Polmont and then come back on the canal.

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  9. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The problem with the 76 on north of Forth is basically, in my opinion it's not a long distance cycle route at all. It's a hodge-podge of bits of pavement, cycle path, road, path, farm road, forest track, donkey track and other inappropriately surfaced bits of surface all (badly) joined together by some sustrans signs.

    The up/down-i-ness isn't a problem, it's coastal and there's nothing challenging about any of the gradients or climbs, it's just not really fun at all. Given there's a few nice wee coastal villages to go through, beyond that it was just annoying, frustrating and not enjoyable.

    I think Ruggtomcat would agree with me on above. The bit through the middle of Grangemouth was interesting. In a sort of oilman's apocalypse sort of way.

    764 by comparison made for great, enjoyable cycling through some pleasant countryside.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I quite like the 76, I often do a 55 mile circuit from Livingston, over Bathgate alps to Linlithgow and then over Kincardine bridge onto 76, then along to the Forth bridge and back into W.Lothian.
    There are a couple of lovely stretches along the waterfront and a great wee sandwich shop in Charlestown. There is one steep section my lungs don't like from Limekilns up to Rosyth, but it is relatively short.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. ruggtomcat
    Member

    Id like to see a picture of someone trying to get a tandem through that deer gate.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    you mean this

    deer gate?

    And I think baldcyclist means this

    hill?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. ruggtomcat
    Member

    Yeah that, another shot at it when I'm back?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. LaidBack
    Member

    Rollbeard - a good local adventure though... already getting planning tips I see!
    Ruggtomcat After your conquests of various lumpy European bike paths on a recumbent with trailer I think this should be light relief!
    Hope you get good shows on your working bike tour.

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  15. ruggtomcat
    Member

    Yeah thats what i was thinking, ive definitely been up worse than that now and with the weight.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. gembo
    Member

    I do not remember that gate when I did it. I do remember the men with guns stopping shortcut through naval base. Also that hill (going down) and the Grangemouth route is familiar to me now as jolly to Airth Castle involves train to Polmont then spin down the hill.

    I have gone to Stirling and I have done a sort of loop on the Kincardine Bridge but then used the canal. So I have missed bits of it. Nice tinting on the photies

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  17. LaidBack
    Member

    I do remember the men with guns stopping shortcut through naval base. ; - )

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. Roibeard
    Member

    That gate's going to be difficult - yes, the Pino is a bit shorter than a "normal" tandem, but that's taking the mickey...

    Anyone know if it's still there - bit of a long shot since the photo was only from February!

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Roibeard - gate is at Hopetoun house, so if you take canal from around Winchburgh back to town you will miss it.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. Roibeard
    Member

    The 76 is now routed via the woodland on the shore, rather than joining the canal at Philpstoun. As the wife enjoys big country houses, we were quite looking forward to passing through the grounds of Hopetoun House.

    I thought we might take the 76 all the way back to Queensferry, before following the railway path to Newbridge via Dalmeny.

    We did take the tandem along the Braidburn paths and then back along the path from Buckstone to Mortonhall.

    Perhaps we're abusing the Pino, but it managed the mud grand! A few miles of unsurfaced tracks wouldn't be too bad...

    As for the gate, it may just fit if reared up. (?)

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @roibeard yes I think it will go through the gate OK on it's rear wheel. The recumbent and my big-wheeled tourer went through the same way.

    And if Mrs Roibeard likes the country houeses, then definitely go the bits of 76 this side of the Forth as you'll get Hopetoun and Dalmeny chalked off. And you go past House of the Binns so you might want to swing in there and pay Red Tam Dalzell a visit!

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  22. Roibeard
    Member

    So we managed the outing at the weekend!

    We took the route proposed, except going to Dunfermline, then to Alloa as recommended above.

    There's a bit of a hill up to Dunfermline, but grand coming down the other side!

    We managed to get lost in Pittencrief Park by going in the wrong entrance and discovered that Rex Park was closed to pedestrians and cyclists without any signposted diversions...

    We were counted in (skewed!) a Sustrans survey at Cambus - the interviewer of course grabbed a couple of pictures, and noted that we were the only tourers in over 3 days of surveying. The section was heavily used by commuters though, including someone who drove from Edinburgh to Dunfermline, then commuted by cycle to Stirling (764/76) daily - 18 miles each way! Anyone here?

    The 76 on the south side did have a few issues.

    In Fallin some motorcycle prevention measures were also Pino prevention measures - the usual narrow gap, but with extra bits bolted on at handlebar height which might have been OK on most bikes but not the Pino. Even reared up the handlebars still didn't fit (cf conventional tandem where the handlebars would have been higher) and I had to play Tetris to get through.

    There were some later building works here with clearly signposted diversions though.

    The route out of Cowie was little more than a "sheep track", bouncing over rocks and avoiding the overgrown nettles.

    Crossing the A876 at Airth was interesting - there is a footbridge with clear signage "footpath closed - use diversion" but no diversion. There didn't appear to be any option apart from going to the roundabout at the Kincardine bridge and then returning on the dual carriageway. We didn't fancy that, so we entered the building site, crossed the footbridge and let ourselves out of the temporary fencing. Now I know why touring cyclists recommend the inclusion of an adjustable spanner in their kit!

    The route into Bo'ness is equally interesting - you're on a back road, then suddenly come upon some steps on the other side of the road. Yes, this marks the start of the cycle route past Kinneil House. Ruth complained about the mountain biking at this stage - mud path, roots, avoiding trees (see above re width of Pino!).

    The new section between Blackness and Hopetoun House (officially to open on 20th September) was fun - wooded but a good quality path. We got snapped by a photographer here as we shot passed - hopefully he got a good action sequence!

    However the deer gates at Hopetoun were a pain - the westerly one was worse than the one pictured, because there was much less room in the stile. I couldn't even roll the reared up Pino, instead having to hop it sideways.

    For what it's worth, I'll alert Sustrans, but I know they rely on local authorities to actually provide and maintain the routes.

    We were stopped for our final chocolate on the Union Canal and I sat smugly watching the passing cyclists - thinking "how far have they gone today?" - when a couple on solo bikes shot past with a cheery greeting. He was towing a two wheeled trailer with everything on it - they were clearly camping, not just credit card touring like us, which soon wiped out the smugness!

    Ruth has already asked when our next outing will be, but I hadn't dared plan it until completing this one!

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. DaveC
    Member

    Sounds great Robert. I'd be interested to hear of you're next ride out. Perhaps you'd allow company?

    Dave C

    Posted 12 years ago #
  24. Instography
    Member

    Sounds like a nice outing (apart from the bits that sound like an obstacle course). Nice picture above of what is known locally as Cardiac Hill.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  25. DaveC
    Member

    @Instography, Can you give me aq link to Cyclestreets with cardiac hill please? Is it as bad as the hill up to Crossgates from Dalgety Bay, or East Lomond from Falkland?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  26. Roibeard
    Member

    @Instography - I think the hill pictured is the one from Rosyth to Dunfermline. We followed the NCN 1 route via Inverkeithing, but this still had quite a hill...

    I don't think you can avoid them if going to Dunfermline!

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    No, I know that hill. It's an off-road path that leads down to Limekilns from the A985. Bit of a hairy descent, but not too bad on the way up assuming you are in the right gear and don't mind going really, really slowly. Much worse hills in Fife: one near Freuchie springs to mind, like climbing a brick wall!

    Oh and well done Roibeard. I may try that route myself, though probably not on a tandem.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  28. Instography
    Member

    @DaveC
    Cardiac Hill is on the route below - the left turn off the A985 at Pattiesmuir. It's not that bad to go up and its name probably says more about the residents of Limekilns than it does about the hill. I go up it on the middle ring of my MTB although at no speed. Just needs getting intimate with the nose of your saddle to stop the front tipping up.

    It's a good way of avoiding the worst parts of the A985 heading west. The pavement runs out at Pattiesmuir and the road narrows slightly, removing a gravelly section that at least provides some refuge when trucks pass. Further on there's a wiggly bit of the A985 that even experienced cyclists avoid by cutting through Limekilns and Charlestown, coming out at Waulkmill.

    The route Cyclestreets plans here isn't too good coming out of Charlestown. It sends you up a rough track when the road is much better and very quiet.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    "The route Cyclestreets plans here isn't too good coming out of Charlestown."

    CycleStreets does its best - based on the OSM data.

    It is probable that the road has been marked as busy and the track surface not described accurately.

    Perhaps you could have a look and correct it.

    It takes a few days for CS to catch up with altered/new info.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  30. Instography
    Member

    Can you do that? I'll leave a comment although looking at the turn-by-turn instructions, it's following route 76.

    I can understand why it routes that way but the track you're sent up - the Rocks Road - is only fun on a mountain bike.

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