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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Well some people would like another event next week! Others just want the 'safety in numbers' effect on a daily basis.

    There seems to be a general feeling that some sort of annual extravaganza is desirable - part celebration, part continuation of 'pressure'.

    IMK has already suggested on another thread -

    "I'd like to see events planned for next year simultaneously in the major Scottish conurbations."

    No pressure for a date. Later in the year is usually warmer. POP28 was extremely lucky with the weather. Although it was chilly out of the sun, the public 'arena' by Parliament turned out to be a sheltered suntrap complete with paddling pools for cooling down. It rained in London and yesterday, here, would have been no fun for standing around.

    Another Edinburgh event next year shouldn't be hard to create - well this one only took 2 months.

    Perhaps though it really could be POP - I.e. 'feeder' rides really Pedalled ON Parliament.

    Perhaps they could start in parks (slightly random list) - The Meadows, Harrison Park, Saughton (Skate) Park, Roseburn Park, Inverleith Park, Victoria Park, Leith Links, Figgate Park, Inch Park, Colinton Mains Park.

    Would need more people to do more organising - but the idea is to 'mainstream' cycling. Perhaps community councils could be involved - some don't seem to like 'cyclists' so could be a way of building bridges.

    Schools could definitely be involved. Maybe councillors could make sure that a ride begins their ward (there are 17).

    Outside Edinburgh it seems most cities have got cycle campaigning groups - apart from Dundee.

    Perhaps the idea of a Pressure On Parliament 'satellite' ride could galvanise some action.

    Anyone on here live in Dundee?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    Anyone on here live in Dundee?

    I just work there, which doesn't really count. I don't know why there isn't a campaign in Dundee, the city could do with one (Forth ports path gates a prime issue, for example).

    As this is CityCyclingEdinburgh, I suggest 'we' focus on Edinburgh (maybe Lothians too) and respect the rights of other places to do what suits them (while maybe keeping key folk in the loop about what 'we' are doing).

    I'd also suggest a feeder ride from Meadowbank velodrome (or at least the big concourse area in front of the stadium) - not far to cycle, but symbolically important perhaps.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    There's a Cycling Dundee person on Twitter, I always assumed it was an account for some sort of campaign group.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. spytfyre
    Member

    flickr user Davidmamartin is in Dundee - took the nice shot of me and Tigermoth[1]

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    Indeed

    https://twitter.com/BikeDundee http://bikedundee.tumblr.com

    "
    David Martin @davidmam

    If you were at #POP28 and even if you weren't, now is the time to write to your MSP and local councillors to ask what they plan to do.

    6:39 PM - 29 Apr 12 via TweetDeck

    "

    https://twitter.com/davidmam/status/196654993938464768

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    Aye, but it's a blog rather than a campaign, AFAIK.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    I'd also suggest a feeder ride from Meadowbank velodrome

    Or it could be Lochend park, which is where the Leith Gala Day parade starts from...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. David Martin
    Member

    Thanks to spytfyre for pointing me to this thread. I'm not Bike Dundee - he just retweeted my comments.

    No Dundee doesn't have a cycle campaign group per se. I am the local CTC right to ride rep, vice chair of the Local Access Forum and for my sins also chair of the Scottish Cycling affiliated Dundee and District Cycling Association (which is far more of the competitive side than utility).

    Dundee in general is quite a reasonable place to cycle though much more could be done. There are some very sympathetic and active councillors and candidates (I have a little list) and some who appear to be anonymous names on a party list. We struggle with some shortsightednes in the City Council transport department but have had some success. Eyes on the ground reckon a doubling in cycle commuting over the last ten years, mostly despite rather than because of. All the initiatives appear to have been from departments other than transport.

    A Dundee ride would be great.

    BTW feel free to copy the POP28 pictures I put on Flickr, but only *after* writing to your councillors and MSPs.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. spytfyre
    Member

    Thanks and Welcome David, glad to have you on board :)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    Welcome indeed!

    "All the initiatives appear to have been from departments other than transport."

    That's an interesting contrast with Edinburgh where 'Transport' - in the form of City Development - put all the racks in schools because Education (now Children & Families) didn't see why they should...

    "A Dundee ride would be great"

    Well I'm sure you're not about to organise one by yourself.

    When the POP people have had their personal de-briefs/rest the idea of 'rides in other cities' might well take off - subject to some people in Dundee wanting it of course! (and, er, 'coming forward'...)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I think any of the other POPists would agree with me when I say "nothing else is decided" about future rides. However I think everyone is of the opinion that PoP's not just an Edinburgh thing, it's an all of Scotland thing, cities, towns, villages and rural, so that would be factored into any future planning for an event or a ride.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. spytfyre
    Member

    "PoP in" to a different town each month?
    Test the rail network capacity for bikes to breaking point?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. Instography
    Member

    Maybe with POP CCE is outgrowing the E. City Cycling has a nice ring to it.

    I'm reluctantly facing up to the need to do something with Fife. There's a few Fifers. Presumably most of us cycle to and in Edinburgh but also cycle around Fife. Maybe we should start nicking all the Edinburgh ideas and seeing what we can apply to our own towns and villages.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. David Martin
    Member

    A fair bunch of North Fifers commute over the Tay Bridge into Dundee, and there are many who commute St Andrews-Dundee as well.

    Maybe a pedal/walk on your local administrative centre of choice next year - is there a suitable anniversary when we can maximise turnout?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    Test the rail network capacity for bikes to breaking point?

    Wouldn't take much! Not necessarily a great idea either...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. crowriver
    Member

    @Instography, David Martin, isn't Fife Council HQ in Glenrothes? Not the most cycle-friendly place, despite the reasonable network of on/off road cycle paths. New town, designed around motor vehicles...

    Come to think of it the perfect place to host a POC (Pedal on Council) event! :-)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. spytfyre
    Member

    @crowriver - kind of why I made the point. Cue a few hundred cyclists standing in a railway station... Wait would that be Critical Mass?
    Or would it be CM if we all threw them on the roof bars then drove over the bridge at cycling speeds? With people on the bikes...
    POC - nice acronym - Have you POC'd anyone today?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. ExcitableBoy
    Member

    I was having the seed of an idea last night and it may be useless, but it would be nice to give people all over Scotland the chance to become involved. So maybe we could arrange a ride that went all over Scotland, starting and ending in Edinburgh. Then local groups could join in as it passed their way. It could maybe involve the passing on of a camera so that people could express their desires, frustrations etc, document good and bad cycling infrastucture etc.

    I'm not sure if it's clear from above that no one person would cycle the whole way, but local people would move it on from town to town, city to city.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. steveo
    Member

    I like that idea, kind of like the Torch Relay but with a peloton instead of an individual torch bearer.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    Sounds like a 'chain ride' or 'relay ride'.

    Could be the kind of thing that CTC branches would be interested in...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. Smudge
    Member

    "Test the rail network capacity for bikes to breaking point? "
    That happens every weekday morning doesn't it? :-(

    Posted 12 years ago #
  22. David Martin
    Member

    I'm not sure a relay would have the same effect. A feeder ride from every major park in the city to the city centre, with outriders to ensure safety in numbers would be great. Time to start planning for next year to get it coordinated all around Scotland.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. David Martin
    Member

    Looking at this, we should be able to get between three to six feeder rides that travel in radially to every major town or city in Scotland. It will take coordination between organisations such as CTC, Living Streets and the local cycle campaigning groups.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    Sounds ambitious - but not ridiculously so.

    So that's Edinburgh, Glasgow, Dundee, Aberdeen, Inverness, Perth and Stirling.

    If we add other places for a geographical spread, perhaps Dumfries and somewhere in the Borders.

    Edinburgh could perhaps encourage rides from places like Musselburgh, Dalkeith, Livingston and Dumfermline.

    Should involve Sustrans too to highlight the routes they have - or would like to.

    Might encourage some local authorities to improve some cycling 'corridors'.

    Maybe Cycling Scotland - or the SG - could come up with some cash.

    POP could become Pedal On Power - places where decisions are made.

    Open Door??

    Posted 12 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Done in different places on the same day it would be local and national.

    Destinations and routes would be decided locally by campaign groups - or even councils.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    The great thing is that there's a national organisation which is up for a bit of campaigning on occasion, and whose members have lots of experience organising group rides: CTC. There are the numerous local cycling clubs too.

    I would imagine finding ride leaders/marshalls from amongst their members might not be a Herculean task.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    "I would imagine finding ride leaders/marshalls from amongst their members might not be a Herculean task."

    That would be good.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  28. gembo
    Member

    The model of mass participation is very attention grabbing and does what it says on the tin. Following this up via meetings with politicians is important as is extending the model elsewhere. The critical mass model is also good at providing a regular reminder tho the polis don't like the 'impromptu' nature of the rides.

    if we all met every sunny Saturday at MMW and cycled in convoy to parliament would this lose impact - law of diminishing returns or would it mean politicians couldn't absorb our protest into their machine?

    could other groups sustain the momentum in other burghs?

    When cycling kicked off in the 1890s my reading of the scenario was that there was an ongoing momentum similar to what POP has tapped into/created now???

    Posted 12 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    "
    When cycling kicked off in the 1890s my reading of the scenario was that there was an ongoing momentum similar to what POP has tapped into/created now???

    "

    Suspect the riders then moved on cars when they became available.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  30. wee folding bike
    Member

    In the 1890s cycling was a pursuit for the wealthy.

    If you want to get the attention of those in power it always helps to be wealthy.

    Posted 12 years ago #

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