@bill Lambs so cute and tasty. Name the missing sheep meat Young = Lamb Old = Mutton
In between lamb and mutton there is another type of sheep meat. What is its name?
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Also;
Cow - beef (boeuf)
Deer - venison (venaison)
Sheep - mutton (mouton)
Pig - pork/ham (porc/jambon)Norman feudalism entrenched in language. The keepers of the beasts and the eaters of the beasts.
Is the other sheep meat Hogg? Or gimmer?
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Bullfinch couple setting up home two gardens west. I approve.
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Watching some crows land above a little seed/nut-filled feeder, shake it to release the goodies and then gobble up their winnings. Smart.
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Sheep meat that is Older than a year but not yet mutton is called Hogget. Could be french too?
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@gembo hogget, right? (though I didn't know what it's related to The Ettrick Shepherd).
I remember Mr Bill telling me that most meat that goes as 'lamb' is in fact hogget.
(I don't really like lamb because of it's smell. It's very rare to eat lamb/hogget/mutton in Poland and the first time I ever had it was in Tuva only 10 years ago and it was very, very, very pungent)Posted 4 years ago # -
Can be concealed with Rosemary
James Hogg The Ettrick Shepherd. I think not directly linked to Hogget he was just a clue. We could ask @Dalmeny on the access argy Bargy thread, he has nice turn of phrase.
I do commend Hogg’s Confessions of a Justified Sinner (often felt not to have been wrtitten by him).
I recently re-read THe Electric Shepherds which is a sort of biography.
Ken Laidlaw which takes in this country or Tala Wall with added Ettrick-ness for when this curfew lifts
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Can be concealed with Rosemary
That's not enough. Trust me we have tried several thymes. Mr Bill brought a couple of bottles of Retsina from Greece and that indeed makes the whole dish smell of retsina and not sheep.
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Middle English comes from a young hog apparently.
Sheep over one year less than 2 years. The extra time on pasture makes it smell even more pungent
Agnus Dei - Latin - lamb of god (hmm, maybe)
Agnello italiian for lamb —-
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Garden teeming with birds this morning. They are loving this lock down. Hi light heavily pregnant Blue Tit crapping into my gutter as I opened the attic curtains.
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Three times spotted deer this morning:
- One running on Gogarbank close to Ratho Golf Club -- seen deer there before so no biggie.
- Two running along Wilskieston Rd just out of Ratho -- never seen them there before
- One standing in the middle of a field with a pheasant nearby just off Cliftonhall Rd -- never seen them there either.
Perhaps they haven't realised the clocks went forward and haven't adjusted their outings.
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Heard a woodpecker in the Hermitage of Braid yesterday. Also magpies seem to be building a nest in the tree outside our flat.
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Heron hunting for frogs in the margins of the Elf Loch on Mortonhall golf course yesterday. We stood and watched it from the other side of the loch, in plain sight no more then 20m away. It seemed totally unworried by our presence. It got one, too - that beak really is like a harpoon when it strikes - though it took a while to get it down, frogs being a more awkward shape than fish or newts I guess.
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Sheep do have a pungent old perfume. I have tried to describe it elsewhere. I guess being brought up on mutton in Scotch broth you just don't think it's odd. I miss mutton and am not even sure where to buy it.
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Update: the magpies just chased a squirrel out of "their" tree.
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The butcher says mutton tastes of pasture
this was some posh butcher on line in Suffolk - Google Hogget. They will sell you mutton.
I think scrag end was cheap/free for soup but well remember a delish mutton sandwich from a particularly meaty scrag end out of the soup pan and “pulled” before “pulled” was a thing. And before I was a veggie.
Also
Remember when butchers gave you a ham hough for nothing for soupHam hough I wonder some sort of pig knuckle?
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Is the other sheep meat Hogg? Or gimmer?
I think a gimmer would be on the left side of your equations.
Cow = beef
Pig = pork
Lamb = er...lamb
Sheep = mutton
Gimmer = hoggetPosted 4 years ago # -
I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the lowlight thread. The crows are clever little creatures. They have worked out how to fit themselves through the gaps in my chimney pot cowl and are now busily nestbuilding.
A neighbouring pair of crows across the way also worked out that a long twig will fit through the cowl if you turn sideways first.
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Lots more woodpigeons around than usual, though I have seldom spent hours at a time near a window in my house in spring in daylight so don't know what usual really looks like. The wee wriggly birds are back in the stickbush by the gatepost too.
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@wingpig, if the wood pigeons are botheirng you (my pair were doing that fighting thing they do before doing the other thing, last night - racket) IWRATS has a remedy
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Now I'm worried @wingpig has snakes in his hedge.
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@Arellcat: It's normally jackdaws, not crows that nest in crevices. Smaller than crows, and with heads a slightly paler grey than the rest of the bird. Still intelligent creatures, though.
We once had to get ten black binbags of twigs cleared out of our chimney thanks to the local jackdaws. And that was after we'd been using the fireplace all through the previous winter, so just one season's worth. Basically, they drop twigs down until enough jam together in the flue to create the basis for a platform, and work from there. It probably didn't help that our flue (like a lot of the houses round here which were built to a common pattern) has a kinked flue. After clearing the chimney our sweep fitted a properly jackdaw-proof cowl to the pot and we've not had the same trouble since. A few neighbours who don't use their fireplaces still get jackdaws nesting in their chimneys each year. Everyone else has eventually ended up with the same type of cowl as us.
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@ejstubbs from the sweep supplier Cowls R Us?
My dear old neighbour was ripped off right royally by a Livingston Sweep. I had agreed to foot half the bill, so indeed I was also right royally ripped off. As part of the settlement all the lums now have cowls atop their pots
One spring I noticed the stove had an astonishingly clean hearth, but I had not touched it. I opened the door and two sparrows flew out.
They had not been nesting (they do that under my neighbours’s eaves, they seem oblivious) Probably scrapping or fornicating on the pot and fell in.
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Our sweep comes from Tranent. Handsome fellow - the missus always enjoys his visits (cue jokes re getting your chimney swept regularly etc etc) - but very good, works hard to keep the stour to a minimum and is certainly not a rip-off merchant. We usually end up giving him an extra tenner or so because his bills look a bit mean.
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I Had a great sweep. He came once and said The lum doesn’t need swept. We still use his firm although he is no longer able to get up on the roof. Shame.
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Toast on the step. A wren making an astonishing racket even for a wren and a goldfinch gathering cobwebs.
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Cobwebs, that is clever nest building. Goldfinches have what you might call Beautiful Plummage Major
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@ejstubbs, does your Tranent chimney sweep do repairs and/or installations as well? I might have a job for him.
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@gembo
I found a goldfinch nest last year. So cute. Perfect hemisphere barely bigger than the bird and the cup lined with moss bound with cobwebs. I would quite like an IWARTS-sized version.
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Field full of lambikins on my hour of cycling today. The crazy shepherd who told me about his sheepdog surviving being gnawed by rats when it was the runt of the litter, grudgingly waved at me this a.m. as he patrolled the a70. Couple of cyclists on way out busier on way back. All compliant.
Field full of field fares too. Different field. Teeming though.
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