Must be a different segment - I'm last due to it being a cygnet viewing expedition with my three daughters. Honest.
http://app.strava.com/segments/1409456
Leader is "only" 19.5mph, not quite 20. Still mental, and needs removed.
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It is a different one. I was looking at this one from Harrison Park to Meggetland, where the KOM is over 20mph. Just report it. I'll wait 5 minutes and report the one I've just linked to. Look on the right hand side of the page for the Actions button, which has only one option - Flag. As it says, "flagging this segment as hazardous will automatically and immediately remove the comparative rankings of this segment's results".
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The one mkns linked to was one of the ones I was commenting on. I removed myself from the rankings by changing the activity type from cycling to running... I didn't intend to upload any runs to Strava in the first place!
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The Arthur's Seat ones are clearly encouraging people to ride recklessly in a public park, too. There's no way people can be in full control and looking out for kids, dogs etc. climbing (or descending) at those speeds.
Flag?
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"clearly encouraging people to ride recklessly in a public park"
You may have a point.
BUT, there is a big difference between cycling on the road round Arthur's Seat and the shared-use canal towpath.
Or are there off-road Stravas in Holyrood Park?
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"Or are there off-road Stravas in Holyrood Park?"
I keep meaning to check to see if anyone's created anything going downhill on the path beside the road between the Scotsman and top roundabout, particularly during the summer when the blind bend near the top is significantly blinder. There's at least one jittery off-road line but the mapping isn't the best for close examination.
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BUT, there is a big difference between cycling on the road round Arthur's Seat and the shared-use canal towpath.
Not really, both are places where it's legal to cycle, there's an expectation that you do so safely, reasonably and with due consideration to other users.
I was probably being too subtle up-thread, when what I was getting at is that the whole idea of Strava is equally irresponsible/responsible (depending on your point of view). It encourages racing in public spaces.
It's hardly irresponsible to do 20mph on an empty towpath, yet responsible to do almost 40mph in the park, and there's the huge question of whether people are jumping red lights on the town sections because they know they're "on Strava time".
It's interesting that the Strava segment which was removed above stopped at the viaduct - that means people weren't crossing it against the clock, rather they could take their time knowing it made no difference. Something that in other circumstances, many here would applaud.
Perhaps some kind of Strava speed limit could be introduced - so it still tracked people in the open, not under the bridges, but capped the speed at 6mph?
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Now I think about it there are all manner of criticisms.
For instance, there are Strava sections on the A90 which means people are being encouraged to ride on that hazardous four-lane road rather than the nearby parallel NCN1 - but there are also segments on the NCN1 which means whichever way you cut it, people on bikes are trying to go fast.
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I've interviewed so many drivers who would say the same thing about doing 40mph past a school when the school's out but obviously they would moderate their speed during school hours. Of course they would.
What Strava does is invite people to go faster. That's what I like about it. For each segment, it's reasonable to ask, 'should people be going faster there or is this a place where racing should, really, be discouraged'. Strava allows you to flag a segment if you think it's inappropriate to be chasing a better time there but you have to have ridden it. You need to know the segment. A segment that's been removed can be put back if people can argue that it's not hazardous.
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"It's hardly irresponsible to do 20mph on an empty towpath,"
Problem in reality is that there aren't many stretches where you can see that far ahead to know it's clear - and that people are just about to join. There is also the question of the 6mph speed limit - question being is it legal or enforceable or unreasonable low (and counterproductive).
It's clear that some people are riding along the canal at speeds and outofmywayness that are inconsiderate/irresponsible. This was happening before Strava and it's not possible to know if Strava has increased this.
"yet responsible to do almost 40mph in the park,"
Clearly that is more of a grey area than the towpath (IMO). The 'general public' do complain about cyclists on the canal. I don't know if they complain about people cycling around Arthur's Seat (except drivers stuck behind them).
There is off course the 20mph limit which isn't enforced on drivers. If cyclist become a problem, expect road humps and maybe chicanes...
"and there's the huge question of whether people are jumping red lights on the town sections because they know they're "on Strava time"."
How huge? Now you're arguing the case for Strava to be banned. DMail might campaign for that!
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"(except drivers stuck behind them). "
I think that the segments going uphill on Arthur's Seat are more worthy (and likely to be applauded by drivers stuck behind?)and safer Going downhill against the clock in such an area is less sensible for obvious reasons.
Incidentally I think that any segment spanning a junction where the cyclist should slowdown or stop should be taken off.
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Incidentally I think that any segment spanning a junction where the cyclist should slowdown or stop should be taken off.
Equally, I'm sure you'd agree that we (cyclists in general) should be paying attention around parked cars and side roads in case a pedestrian tries to cross, not blasting along trying to get a personal best at everyone else's expense - taking off Strava segments where other road users who aren't participating in racing may be put in danger might be the only way to stop this.
How huge? Now you're arguing the case for Strava to be banned. DMail might campaign for that!
Exactly. Strava is immense fun, but it's also a website which documents routes cyclists are conducting unlicenced racing on (everywhere) as well as documenting how fast they travel.
I bet the Strava segment for *any* 20mph street will have riders going over 20mph in one direction if not both, etc.
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I'd flag the descent before the Pollock roundabout, but it doesn't seem to have it as a segment as such.
Between people riding/jogging uphill, zombie pedestrians and the wintertime black stealth barrier at the bottom, it's pretty insane to race that.
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I see on one of the segments on the run along the cycle path between Silverknowes and Roseburn, Strava is no longer showing speeds. It's still recording times for the segment but not showing speed.
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There's a segment like that round the seat too. You still rank and race, but no speed (possibly because the distance is incorrectly calculated as zero?)
I'm 11 seconds too slow to even get on the first page of the Arthur's Seat climb. Third place for CCE though (behind John Edgcombe, Douglas Ritchie - not sure of your forum names?)
Man!
It was tough with the singlespeed, but I'm sorely lacking regardless. A definite target...
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WTF. Fourth place now, after a storming performance later this evening: http://app.strava.com/rides/10669551#186807639
Good effort for an after work show chaps!
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My best time is one second slower than yours, Dave. Ah well.
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From Dave's link -
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Arthur's Seat Climb - Gate to Lake
"Mmm
Posted 12 years ago # -
I forgot to unplug the dynamo too, so I was losing all that power on the way up. It's so clear what went wrong :P
Posted 12 years ago # -
Fourth place among the CCE members not overall. Gate to Lake - shame you can't edit the name.
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Yep, see my first comment "not even on the first page", although as it happens, that's proportionally a better performance (CCE members > general cycling populace?)
Think that singulator kit came with an 18t as well as a 16t, may switch it over for the next attempt so my cadence is > 40rpm
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We now have 22 members of the CCE "club" on Strava. I can recognise 9 of them. Of course it isn't clear whether members found the "club" via this forum or by searching within Strava.
Posted 12 years ago # -
I'm languishing in 6th place in the CCE Gate to Lake leaderboard. In my defence I'm always carrying a ~10kg rucksack when I'm cycling home from work. Excuses excuses!
Posted 12 years ago # -
I've now joined and hope to get out for a ride later today. It'll be my first Strava upload. There's a lot of segments around here - Carberry Hill here I come.
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I was travelling very light and inspired by the big gear pushing of kaputnik and Uberuce last night.
I'm not entirely sure of the start and stop point as the time given by Strava looks shorter than what I was expecting from glances at my garmin at the gate and at the first bush by the upper loch...
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@amir I guess if you just go looking for clubs on Strava it might not be obvious that there's a forum associated with it (though there is a link to the forum on the club page).
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I'm languishing in 8th place (out of 8) in the CCE Gate to Lake leaderboard. In my defence I'm always carrying me around.
Posted 12 years ago # -
Thanks fimm. I have updated the text a little to be clearer.
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Another unconsidered bonus of Strava, I now know how fast I'll need to be to go play with the roadies on their Saturday ride out east - average of 26mph apparently (!)
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