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Canal towpath use

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  1. gembo
    Member

    I freely admit to having a fish supper on my shoulder. was I wrong to object to the daughter leading the convoy of two cyclists and a dog on a leash on the towpath.? They were accompanying the rowers on the canal.

    I said, "I am coming past you and your mascot now, i don't know why you have a dog with you, but it is a free country"

    My objection was that there was no way for anyone to get past for approx 300 yards, basically obstructing the path. Also quite hazardous? But if you think you own the world (remember my chip) then what is the problem?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    Cyclists with rowers are a regular menace. they don't look where they're going. they ride on the wrong side. they go slow etc. (nice to see you this morning btw)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I don't suppose it matters if they were following a rowboat or not, sounds like bad form to me. Any person or persons who are taking up whole width of path need to be aware that people will be coming the same way, faster than them and from behind.

    I almost wiped out a kid on one of those little scootery things today on the Roseburn path. Convoy of parents and dogs strung out across width of path, I passed slowly on their left in the very narrow space they grudgingly created. Kid shot out from behind one of the adults from where he had been hiding into the space I was coming through. I managed to swallow my curse and wobble into the grass.

    I dislike the "walking" of dogs from back of a bike. Personally I don't think even a very well trained dog is under full control if it's off the leash - owner is dependent on dog's willingness to obey commands. An interesting smell or some curiosity / aggression / amorousness on the part of the dog is enough to overcome that. They're even less under control if the owner is on a bike trying to watch what their dog is doing rather than where their bike is going. And those riding with the dog on a leash are a downright liability - the dog is in control of the owner.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Nelly
    Member

    I did my "every few months use the canal" experiment last week. Lots of people not moving, despite my polite coughs, 'scuse me, passing on yer right etc (i dont have bells).

    I think the summer also brings out the nutter cyclists too though, so despite sore legs have reverted to the roads.

    Also saw result of a coming together under meggetland bridge. Badly dazed girl, split lip, busted tooth, they both had bells too!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Was she wearing a helmet on her teeth?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. Uberuce
    Member

    A non-cyclist I met talked about that phenomenon, Nelly; cyclists who don't think through the game theory of hearing another bell.

    What happens when an irresistable force meets an immovable object? Well, I dunno, but those cyclists crash.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. Dave
    Member

    Perhaps they did what so many motorists do - blap the horn and carry on with fingers crossed.

    Better not to rely on a wee bell IMO. When I was learning to drive my father told me always to ask myself "what if I met ME coming the other way"...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. Uberuce
    Member

    I prefer an elaborate paranoid fantasy world in which I've angered Google by realising the auto-complete function in the searchbar is clear evidence it has become sentient and plots to become our overlord, and it is sending nanotechnologically controlled roadies to pitch me into the canal to discredit me. Who's going to listen to a soggy person that smells of algae?

    Still can't figure out where the pandas fit in, though.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. alibali
    Member

    (i dont have bells)

    One is enough for me since I accepted the Bicycle Work's advice and bought one of their excellent Dutch "I heart my bike" bells.

    Despite the ghastly branding, it works in the wet and the centrifugal hammer "tring-a-ling" sound seems to be less threatening to pedestrians on the tow path and leads to a more co-operative response.

    Doesn't work with meandertals though.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. Uberuce
    Member

    Meanderthals? Stealing that...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    they both had bells too!

    Aye, but did they use them? Allegedly motor vehicles have brakes and side mirrors, but...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. alibali
    Member

    Meanderthals? Stealing that...

    Thanks for correcting my spelling and you are very welcome, although it's not mine to give really. Picked it up hereabouts, as I recall.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. DaveC
    Member

    I tailed a girl on a bike who gravitated to the right when meeting oncoming traffic/bikes on the canal path. I shouted to her - Keep Left!! but she didn't seem to hear/listen to me. I ensured she wasn't wearing earphones and shouted again at the next near incident and she did look round and aknowledge me that time. Turns out she was not of UK origin and was just doing what she always did which was move over the the right, which happens to be incorrect in the UK.

    It was fun for a time watching other cyclists clock her in the middle of the path. They'd move to their left and then eyes would widen as she also moved to that side and then appear to play chicken until one of them would swerve at the last minute.

    She eventually got the message once I'd explained the Keep Left in the UK rule to her.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. AKen
    Member

    I reckon she was just humouring the scary shouting man who'd been following her along the canal :-).

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. Min
    Member

    " "I heart my bike" bells."

    I have one of those but I ride my bike so much the heart wore off.

    Rule of the Towpath - Don't be a div.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Uberuce
    Member

    I'm only aware of one endeavour where that's not the rule, Min, and it's a little specialised: playing an evil character in online role-playing games.

    I don't mean the various assassinations, theft, demon worship, necromancy and conquest that's part of the fiction, I mean it's basically impossible to do without being at least a little hard-nosed to your fellow players.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    A div?

    I think that is a bad word but I have a very jaundiced outlook on life so will not expand

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. ruggtomcat
    Member

    I think the forum rules have had an impact on the spelling of d*ck. One that some might find more offensive, and others may think of as innocuous. One of the nice things about d*ck (of many) is its unmistakable meaning in this context.

    * is a 'u', of course.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. Arellcat
    Moderator

    One school of thought suggests that div, which as any fule kno is short for divvy, comes from those seeking their unemployment dividend, that is, someone who is clearly a waster, or somehow lacking in sense or mental agility.

    But I've also seen reference to mining vernacular, in which those using the Davy Safety Lamp (or indeed, unsafety lamp) were considered not of sound mind (Davy...divvy) compared with those using the Stephenson safety lamp.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. Uberuce
    Member

    A Google suggested it's prison slang for those given to sort cardboard dividers, a task of presumable extreme simplicity and tedium.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. HankChief
    Member

    https://twitter.com/MerchistonCC/status/966044466602807297

    "What are your thoughts on the speed of cyclists along the #UnionCanal?
    Do you find walking or cycling along the canal safe?
    #MMCLive

    @scottishcanals @gavincorbett @davidfkeySNP @CllrNickCook @melaniemain"

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. steveo
    Member

    I hate walking, running or cycling along the canal, its a truly miserable experience, but still better than the alternative routes.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    Canal towpath fine outside commuting times and of course fine almost all the time after the aqueduct if heading west. I find when people refer to the towpath they mean the short stretch east of the aqueduct.

    Tomorrow S1 at new boroughmuir will be about up to 8.30. It is a staggered start, Thursday will be busier

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The towpath is life affirming. It is a knotted vein of nature snaking across fair Dunedin's alabaster brow. All humanity is there.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    @iwrats, an older chap with brylcream and possible heavy smoker/drinker, I have christened Stoneface has started saying hello back to me.

    He is heading east west and walking

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Welcome to the Canal Family, Stoneface.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. jdanielp
    Member

    As a result of my effort to condition myself towards being at the campus at Heriot-Watt for 8 am tomorrow morning to not work, I now know that the just before 8 am commute on the towpath is substantially less busy than any of the 20 minute later windows up to my usual time of just before 9. It was also a lovely sunny morning so maybe I will try to keep this up even when I'm back to actually working again, but I fear that I'll soon slip back into getting up later. I was still spotting a selection of the semi-regular later cyclists, but no sign of gembo or Lilac Helmet Lady today.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. steveo
    Member

    All humanity is there.

    Tragically

    The constant ringing of bells followed by a bicycle at speed just off ones elbow wears one down and thats at 0730 heading west from Kingsknowe to Hermiston Gait at a decent running pace, I hate to think how bad it is walking Eastbound from Slateford. Probably only marginally better than getting fumed.

    Then there is trying to pass pedestrians on the bike no matter how many you slow for or and how politely you ask to pass there will always be some moron shouting about something.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. SRD
    Moderator

    what @steveo said.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. Rosie
    Member

    At the Fountainbridge end 5pm on a fine summer evening is a scrum of strolling couples, pushing buggies, walking dogs, & thwarted cyclists. It's the Portobello Prom on a Sunday in August.

    Historical perspective:- the canal towpath was not officially open to cyclists until the late 90s. In 1991 the local Community Council thought that cycling would be a good thing on lonely stretches like Fountainbridge.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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