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"Princes Street reopens as York Place closes for a year"
(144 posts)- Started 11 years ago by chdot
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Tried to cycle from Guildford to Lothian road last week - nightmare. tarmac missing; everything barricaded off.
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@SRD so, basically they have left a rutted mess of a track in place of the road - must be part of the Commonwealth Games - CX course perhaps ??
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It's really depressing how much of a permanent feature all of these road/tramworks are in the city.
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"On Picardy Place, drivers will take Broughton Street rather than York Place and have to navigate Abercromby Place and Albany Street to reach Queen Street and George Street."
I seriously doubt that Albany Street will withstand that level of traffic. The road surface there is in shocking nick - I got a pinch flat just cycling along the Street a few weeks back. Presumably this means it will be resurfaced eventually, but by the time the diversion is over I suspect cars will basically be running along the top of the cellars...
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I thought the trams were just running to St Andrews Sq. Why are they digging up york place? Wonder if thay are actually going to go to Leith?
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The train set is supposed to go to York Place now. I believe that the junction of York Pl/N St Andrew St needs to be banked up by a fair bit or the locals will get upset by the overturning trams falling into the basement areas.
Oh, and I don't think they've actually got permission from the folk whose pavements they'll be commandeering for the raised works yet. Or maybe they have - it's hard to keep up.
Trust me, the trams will never get to Leith in your, or my, lifetime.
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It's getting rough in town - Broughton St is closed, if you go west to the national cycle route it's closed, bit further west to the Mound and that's closed (or at least, in variable condition), one more to the west and you can get up to George St but no right turn for Charlotte Sq. Go futher again and Haymarket is still all dug up, and if you have the desire to ride right up the Roseburn path, you get to Russel Rd which is all dug up.
It's still a ludicrous disaster you know. Ludicrous. Lesley Hinds will have to be very careful not to be destroyed by it, she's not exactly managing the N-S movement of traffic very well at present, is she?
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Just to make things even worse, Dublin Street has been altered to give traffic from Albany Street priority so that drivers don't have to give way to cyclists still trying to use the already blocked NCN75. What was a relatively pleasant way to walk or cycle into town is now going to be impossible to navigate, especially once York Place closes though drivers are already using it as a rat run.
The only thing cyclists or peds can hope for is for total gridlock so we might have some chance of crossing the road here. The pavement sections have cycles with red lines through them stenciled on to remind us that we have to go on the roads and get killed.
I am really beginning to hate this utter hole of a city.
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Good point, Min. Dublin Street is not an ideal place to do a hill start on either.
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Dublin st junction with Abercrombie/Albany was difficult enogh to cross without a change in give way. I'll just continue to cross York Pl and head down Broughton even if that means 5mins on foot walking through.
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Surely it's not that bad? Only residents of Stockbridge and the New Town (or regular visitors to these parts) will be badly affected by these new arrangements. The rest of the city will hardly notice.
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Well yes, if you do not live or work near or on the other side of something then no, you would not notice. If you do then you would.
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Min'The pavement sections have cycles with red lines through them stenciled on to remind us that we have to go on the roads and get killed.'
Yes... I noticed these very professional looking signs stencilled onto pavements.
They weren't the official ones that are used on the popular 'no cycling(!)' Portobello prom route though but the Australian variant with a diagonal red line through.
I'm going to photo them - no less than 8 at junction of Heriot Row and Howe Street - wow!. I see all these signs to discourage cycling as proof positive that numbers are up. Those ones were on the pedestrian ramps to discourage pavement cycling, unlike those on Princes St which were to discourage road cycling!They're actually similar to the anti dog fouling ones in the city which reflects the view that cycling is an anti-social nuisance...
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We should by black spray paint and black them out late at night.
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Nah Dave, if you're going to do something like that, far funnier to get the red and white and paint cars with red lines through them and "No Cars" on the roads of your choice ;-)
edited to add this is a humorous fantasy and in no way an incitement to go out at night and be naughty!
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I am quite relaxed about it - Perhaps its because I live near the meadows, work at the gyle, and walk / cycle / bus to town that none of this has really bothered me. It is a rare event where I cant navigate a bike wherever I want - and a damn sight easier than driving.
I usually have to drive one day a week and it must be frustrating doing cross city driving every day. I cant see anything other than more cyclists at the end of this.
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"I cant see anything other than more cyclists at the end of this."
Perhaps.
Imagine if CEC said 'look, it's going to be difficult to get into/across town for a few years. The best way will be by bike. AND we are going to do EVERYTHING to make that easier'.
Imagine.
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I can imagine the chipwrapper 'campaigns' that would result from CEC saying such a thing.
Anyway, CEC have nearly finished the QBC. That's all the university types taken care of, what else do those cyclists need, eh? I ask you.
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QBC not far from me. Its sad how a moderately good idea is rendered pointless because cars parking on the lane are tolerated if not encouraged.
Still, at least the weather has improved.....
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Oliver Chapman @OChapmanArchSad seeing kerbs and road markings going back on Princes St. Hurry up shared surface plan! http://pic.twitter.com/LSKBm4gQ
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Where is "Princes Street open" too? If you're on a bike, you still can't head easily west along it as Shandwick Place is still blockaded off, you can't go along the West Approach Road, and you have to be seriously desperate to head up to Morrison Street. Is there going to be any non-lethal way of somehow navigating to/from the west (beyond Haymarket) and Princes Street?
Seriously doubt it.
Centre of Edinburgh was designed and built about 150 years before the car or even the bus. How come it's that hard to comprehend that it just cannot take the current levels of traffic and never will?
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It is going to happen on the 14th July.
Apparently.
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TRADERS at Edinburgh’s West End are furious after being told the tram works which have shut the roads all around their shops will last nine months longer than they expected."
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
"They said the project as a whole remained on schedule to open in summer 2014"
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
sob
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The project remains on schedule to be behind schedule!
That's utterly brilliant lateral thinking.
"Sorry I'm late boss, but I'm not actually late, I'm actually on schedule, but to a much later schedule than I originally intended to be on work by that I didn't bother telling you about."
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You'd think that third time round that it wouldn't be another half-ar**d road-surfacing job and wouldn't be even MORE thoughtlessly designed with respect to cyclists.
You'd think.
But you'd be wrong.
Here's one ASL I won't be in a hurry to try and use.
In the bit I could inspect up close, the edges of the setts are badly damaged and there was gaps over 1" between them, with sharp edges.
The quick-crumbling green gunk is not sealed in between sections, and gaps (again with rough edges) of c. 1cm between. Perfect to begin the erosion, trap dirt and glass and pinch unsuspecting tyres.
And here's the latest bit of "cycle friendly" lane in Edinburgh. Notice the welcoming green surface with the bike bicycle on it? Notice also that you are encouraged either to try and get inbetween the two lines (and fall off in the process) or to be squeezed in a space about a foot wide between traffic or kerb on one site and rail on the other.
I'm simply appalled by this.
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I've set the pictures as creative commons. Sharing / tweeting / retweeting these would be good. Edinburgh Reporter is going to do a piece using them.
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Holy c**p, they actually want to set us up as skittles for the tr*m to knock down?
As for the surface. I'd say I can't believe it, but I can. :-(
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Let me be the first to say... Model cycling city!
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