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Here's why everyone is talking about lithium It is the new resource symbol of the ecological and digital transition in mobility and beyond.
Growing demand is about to outstrip supply and may turn lithium into the “new oil”, 90% of whose production is concentrated in only three countries in the world
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When the government controversially scrapped its discount on the purchase of electric cars last summer, the move was justified on the grounds that its work was done. After 11 years of subsidies, said ministers, the electric vehicle revolution had been “kickstarted”. As Britain strives to meet a 2030 target to end the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles, that judgment is beginning to look a little complacent.
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Spotted a Citroën Ami quadricycle. Manufacturers say that there are over 1000 on island of Greater Britannia.
So should be a few in Edinburgh... but as far as I know this is only one. £7.5k
The Ami can charge from household three pin. 5kWh battery. Just like charging up ten Urban Arrows at once.
No pedals though to move it when battery goes flat!
Plus another 'small' EV. Starting to see two per street.
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One of the world's biggest carmakers has called on the government to renegotiate part of the Brexit deal or risk losing parts of its car industry.
Stellantis, which makes Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen and Fiat had committed to making electric vehicles in the UK.
But it has now said it is no longer able to meet Brexit trade rules on where parts are sourced.
The government is "determined" that the UK will remain competitive in car manufacturing, a spokesperson said.
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The core problem remains a lack of UK battery plants, and a domestic supply chain that should be being built now, but is being dwarfed by developments elsewhere.
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A reminder that EVs still pollute and are still noisy
Tyre noise dominates above 20mph and below 20mph EU law now mandates an electronic warning noise
Up to 27 tonnes of CO2 is emitted during their manufacture - that is not zero, we need to be at zero
Tyre- and brake wear are a significant source of air pollution, with the microplastics from the tyres eventually being washed into the oceans
Then let's talk about terrible urban realms, urban sprawl, 120-minute "neighbourhoods", ever expanding roads and road infra subsidised by the tax-payer, mining, decimation of nature, deaths and serious injuries ...
Pretty damning really
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When it comes to monetary value – actual pounds lost in the period – the Porsche Taycan has fallen the most, losing £20,750. This was closely followed by the Tesla Model X, losing £20,086, and the Tesla Model S which has lost £16,217.
The stark figures show the impact of the huge price drops used electric cars have suffered in the last few months as buyer confidence has waned and consumers shun the used EV market.
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With electric bikes it is really the battery you are buying. The rest is superstructure
I suspect same with an electric car except no one admitting it
Used battery anyone?
"huge price drops"
A lot of this is because of the huge price increases that happened over the pandemic because of new car waiting times - if you were lucky enough to get a new car (EV or combustion), you could sell it back to the dealer at a profit on collection day.... Also used car values went up 40%. No surprise prices are starting to normalise.
Also car manufacturers engaged in the same stupidity as the cycle manufacturers and thought the party would last forever and over produced post pandemic, which is why all the cycle manufcturers are going bust and car prices are in freefall. :)
"Tyre- and brake wear are a significant source of air pollution"
Tyre wear likely to go up given weight of battery, however the brakes on an EV should last a 100,000 miles (or the life of car) because of regenerative braking. ICE car brakes about 15K miles.
Most of the weight increases in cars are due to manufacturers pushing SUVs and upsizing their models year-on-year, not electrification
Tyre wear is a pollution problem for both ICEs and EVs regardless of weight. The battery may cause a little bit extra tyre wear pollution, but that's not the point - the point is that all car tyres pollute significantly, as they are driven, and EVs do nothing to solve that problem
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Sadly, keeping your old petrol car may be better than buying an EV. There are sound environmental reasons not to jump just yet
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Gull wing Tesla parked on Forrest Rd bike lane on Saturday was trumped today.
Was following a sweet little Tesla going slowly east down Valleyfield St towards Leven Terrace. Despite having a huge SatNav system the driver decided to turn left through no entry sign and use the new contraflow bike lane to get to Melville Drive.
#Permeability #Spacesforvehicles
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Arguments over the green credentials of electric cars are already over. Work on 21st-century tech, and leave the past behind
Ben Lane is co-founder and CTO at Zapmap, a UK-wide map of electric car charging points
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/07/petrol-diesel-engines-technology-electric-cars
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Fact check: why Rowan Atkinson is wrong about electric vehicles
Last week we ran a piece by Rowan Atkinson casting doubt on the environmental benefits of electric vehicles. Here Simon Evans of Carbon Brief offers his response
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Seeing a lot of lifepo4 (lfp) Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries becoming available in EV's now. These will outlast the car by some considerable margin*, be interesting to see if these are recycled into new cars, houses or put to work at utility scale.
3000** cycles minimum x 150 miles range = 450k miles
** a well maintained lfp battery will easily do 2-3 times that.
The IPCC said that electric vehicles not only “offer the greatest low-carbon potential for land-based transport”, but their use would save money
And Jevon's paradox says that when something is cheaper to run, it'll get used more - likely negating many of the benefits
That induced demand or removal of the fuel cost restriction will be the problem.
I'm guessing a milage tax of some description is on the cards in the next ten years. All governments are going to want to fill the gap left from petrol and diesel duty and vat. Most electric car are "always on" and could easily report your odometer much like a smart meter in home.
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EU exports of electric cars to the UK worth €30bn a year will be put at risk unless the Brexit trade deal is tweaked, representatives of the sector in Brussels have said.
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Electrification is vital. Road transport accounts for 15% of global carbon emissions that need to be cut to zero by 2050 to prevent global heating reaching catastrophic levels. It will also helpfully reduce particulate emissions, improving air quality and cutting disease in smoggy cities. But the scale of the challenge is vast.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/04/electric-cars-culture-wars-evs
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I’m a convert, but even I was affected by the fearmongering that haunts the electric vehicle market. A relentless campaign in the rightwing media against government plans to ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in 2030 reflects the views of an increasingly desperate fossil fuels lobby, and I had read story after story about a lack of working chargers in the UK. I took out a second breakdown policy when I realised that mine covered only one callout in any 28-day period. I expected an adventure, and to come back with tales to tell, like running out of charge halfway up a mountain, or making friends for life with a random farmer as the car took all night to charge on their three-point socket.
But, sorry, I have no such tales. This isn’t that kind of article – it all went boringly well.
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Somewhat misleading 'photo' at the top of that article of a charging station at Ingliston.
I think we are quite close to switching now, nothing fancy, a Leaf/e4c/e2008 size. Now the boy is up a bit, we no longer need a big car.
The summs seem quite compelling now, especially given the 11 year old Volvo is starting to cost money to fix (>£1000 a year in repairs now).
Used prices are down a lot since last year because of electricity increases.
1 year old low milage car now about £20/1K.
Can get 0% funding from ScotGov on a used car under £30K.
So could be looking at:
Cost per month: £300 over 60 months @ 0%
VED saving: £15
Fuel saving: £150 p/m on 15K miles (£250 - £300 yearly electric bill on 7.5p overnight charging)
So essentially a car of that price would net cost us £135 a month, which is not that far off what we are paying in repairs.
More sums to do, but I think it now makes sense.
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Sales are accelerating: Chinese carmakers sold almost the same number of electric cars in Europe in the first seven months of 2023 as they did in the entirety of 2022.
Chinese brands have long struggled to break into Europe because of a reputation for lower-quality cars. However, some analysts believe the advent of new battery electric technology has wiped the slate clean for Chinese brands, and sales are booming.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/04/china-europe-electric-car-market-uk-sales-mg-tesla
Electric cars? Noooooo, they steal all your data.
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