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  • Started 11 years ago by Uberuce
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  1. Uberuce
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    Backstory: all this year I've been working on this amount of job security: 'Good work Westley, sleep well; I'll probably kill you in morning' until last week when the announcement was made that it's going to be April at the earliest before they start thinking about redunding any of us. Being not quite completely stupid, I've been jealously guarding a layer of financial fat to tide me over while I find something else to fit around my sproglet-wrangling job.

    Being stupid, I now want that money to transmute into a shoal of piranha and strip the flesh from the fuzzily defined envelope that is the sum of all my imagined n-plus-ones, until nothing is left but the pure clean bones of velocipedal beauty.

    Variables:

    1)In the light of my Dread Pirate Roberts employment situation, earlier this year I abandoned my plans to gear up my singlespeed wee blue floofy, and insteaed went for the cheapo get-a-geared-bike method of making my former hipstermobile, black fruity, into an 8-speed. Shortly after this I realised that the 1988 vintage brakes on this device really didn't cut it now that I couldn't fixie-slow, so I upgraded the front to a modern dual-pivot. Therefore I have most of the moving parts for a budget roadie - aside from handlebars and levers, there isn't much on black fruity's frame that isn't new and of okay quality.

    i)Black fruity is too small. Can't repress it any more; coming out party kicks off today: I am large.

    b)I intend to take this device to the Highlands, so brakes of godly power are a major plus. Mr and Mrs Disc, I'm looking at you.

    Fourth) I would like to build up a bike from scratch, but from the look of things, unless you already have a smattering of components already, the cheapest way to buy a bike's worth of kit is to buy a bike. If I just flat-out buy a good bike, then I've got one good bike's worth of kit. I have sod all of a disc-brake bike's kit.

    pi) I really want my sister to start cycling, and from the look of her job situation, she'd be best going Brompton for the multimode Laaahndahn factor, and since I want/need such a device(oooh, I hate you, Greenroofer) I'll likely go halfers on it.

    e) I want to get some audax and/or touring in, and with the trailer I invested in I require a device of long mile comfort and chunksome brakes.

    e) I want to unleash oiled thunder from my thighs on flats and curves. I want to fall hawklike from the top of hills I've grated lung to conquer. I want something fast.

    g)I think Genesis bikes are beautiful devices. I literally couldn't gush about them more if I was paid, since I resent the notion of pimping my wordgasms.

    I think this gives me:

    Equilibrium frame; 8-speed cheapo kit; new bars/shifters; buy-in on Brom.

    Equilibrium.

    Croix de Fer.

    Volant.

    Help. Unless you're crowriver, in which case you're going to tell me to save the money for next year's knifeedge, but *fingers in ears* Llalalalalalallalala

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  2. Instography
    Member

    My Pompino experience says that building up from a frame is a staggeringly expensive route to go down although that's at least as much me and my tendency to say, "but this one's better and only another tenner" as it is about the cost of individual components compared with their cost as part of a mass production build.

    I'm not following why you would want to spend any money on a London-based Brompton. I'd just rent bikes in London if I were you. After the £1 access fee you should be able to cycle around London for nothing. I'd put the Brompton to one side as a complete distraction from the need for speed. Hard on your sister but we're talking new bikes here and siblings' needs are way down the pecking order.

    I reckon in about 10 kilos time I'll be looking at a Volant for fast so I'm with you there.

    ps. You're not actually all that large.

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  3. Uberuce
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    Brom: not London-based, but London-visiting, but I concede your point that she's a big girl and can take care of her own bike self.

    Size: In comparison to most adult men, no. In comparison to the (tall)12-year-old girl that my sister was at the time the bike was bought for her? Yes.

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  4. Instography
    Member

    Tell her to use the Boris bikes.

    Volant.

    <TokenSensibleness> You should probably save the money in case of a rainy day </TokenSensibleness>

    But really, the Volant.

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  5. crowriver
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    Help. Unless you're crowriver, in which case you're going to tell me to save the money for next year's knifeedge, but *fingers in ears* Llalalalalalallalala

    Get yer fingers oot yer ears, laddie. If I've told ye once, I'll tell ye agin...

    Can you not hunt on fleaBay or Gumtrench for a (gasp) second hand frame to replace the 'black fruity' one which is too wee?

    Anyway my advice is hypocritical: I've been splurging on bikes and bike bits like mad the past year or two. Only one bike was 100% brand new though, the tandem. My Ute was a half price, ex-demo, prior model deal (though still with valid warranty as it's basically new). Everything else has been a second hand 'junk in the shed/garage gathering dust/rust' bargain hunted down with zealous fanaticism.

    Ultimately it's up to you, but if it was me staring at a potential P45 come the spring I'd be watching my pennies. Plus, there are some really nice old (and some quite new) frames out there for not a lot... You can even sell your old one to recoup some of the outlay, and declutter as a side benefit.

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  6. Smudge
    Member

    When I was sorting out my roadbike I bought a complete 105 groupset, the previous years type, for almost exactly half the price of the then current one. Well worth watching for and waaaay cheaper than buying individual components.

    I am also hankering after an equilibrium frameset, but unfort I don't like this years 70's orange, sorry "copper" colour option :-(

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  7. Uberuce
    Member

    @crowriver @smudge Yarp, I've been a regular gumBay surfer all this year for both frames and groupsets, but nowt's come up that's really jumped out at me.

    The cruel fate part of this escapade is that I was sorely tempted (in the face of impending half-employment) by that £550 Thorn tourer steal from Eastside, which sat there for an inexplicably long time, but is of course gone now.

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  8. crowriver
    Member

    that £550 Thorn tourer steal from Eastside

    Now that was a steal. Too big for me or I'd have snaffled it months ago when I first saw it in the shop.

    Looks as though you may have to stay on the "Is that a steel frame from 1988? Might as well use it as an anchor weight..." tip.

    Come to think of it, Eastside sometimes have nice steel frames hanging in the shop. May be worth a browse. Macdonald Cycles have a selection of used racing frames too, can sometimes be pricey but it depends.

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  9. Uberuce
    Member

    I'll leave it up to the fates; they've got a couple of weeks to throw me a groupset which I'll marry to an Equilibrium frame, or else I'll go for the Volant.

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  10. Baldcyclist
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    What height are you, and do you want 'road bike' fast? I have a small (up to 5 8/9 is) Giant OCR 0 frame sitting in he garage gathering dust which you could have for next to nothing, I' d rather see it used! There's also a bag of Ultegra components which were on the Giant, and then hammered on my Cervelo, some of which is serviceable, which you could just have. Don't have wheels for it though.

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  11. Uberuce
    Member

    Sizing for me is a problem by itself. If you ask my arms and legs, I'm over 6' but if you ask my torso, I'm around 5'7". I stand 5'10".

    I was comfortable on 6'3" Anth and (I think the same)Instography's bikes without saddle adjustment, but my daily steed is a 54cm that is meant to fit someone of 5'8" ilk. Roibeard, who I think is my height, found it cramped from the waist up, whereas it's perfect for me. It's a flat bar fixie, so I spend a lot of time out the saddle with a very upright posture as I haul uphill, and the rest with a comfy back angle. Don't think I'd fit if it was drops.

    That translates to the frame sounding way too small, but the Ultegra bits and bobs raise an eyebrow. What is there? I doubt my conscience will allow me to accept that level of kit for free, but we can have the putting-purse-away argument off stage later.

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  12. thebikechain
    Member

    From your description (wonderfully written btw) you need to be erring on the side of the Croix and Equibrium i think.

    The Volant (my tip for best seller 2013) is a stripped down racer. No mounts no fenders etc.

    Your requirements for being able to do as much as possible on the bike make it a choice of Croix or Equibrium.

    On balance i think you need a Croix. It will go FAST with appropriate tyres. Stops on a sixpence and it will carry anything you like.

    Buy one of those.

    Happy to help etc etc etc

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  13. Uberuce
    Member

    Aw, Daaaaad...

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  14. thebikechain
    Member

    http://www.thebikechain.co.uk/Genesis-Croix-De-Fer-58-201204241605/

    PLUS! Madison have all sizes in stock right now... yay!

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  15. Uberuce
    Member

    I do confess, as soon as I saw that lovely restrained slate colour on the Croix, I knew I was in trouble...

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  16. thebikechain
    Member

    I think you know what the next step is...

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  17. Uberuce
    Member

    Yep. It's going to a wedding.

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  18. Min
    Member

    You stay away from that nasty nasty man and his lovely lovely bicycles!

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  19. Min
    Member

    Ooh that IS nice..

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  20. crowriver
    Member

    Sizing for me is a problem by itself. If you ask my arms and legs, I'm over 6' but if you ask my torso, I'm around 5'7". I stand 5'10".

    I'm the same height as you but have the opposite problem: long arms and torso but shortish legs. So I tend to go for (traditional) frames between 52-53cm, sometimes smaller. 'Compact' frames can go bigger due to the sloping top tube.

    I second Min's warning: don't give in to temptation!

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  21. Instography
    Member

    Just back from a nice little ride on my Croix de Fer now that it's got the full complement of wheels again. It was rather nice.

    That Volant 30 though. Hmmmm

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  22. crowriver
    Member

    Far be it from me to attempt to derail a cyclist hell bent on a dream bike. I also wouldn't want to take business away from fiercely independent local retailers.

    However, for the price of the CdF you could have a Revolution Audax, and a Revolution Cross, with quite a lot of change left over. Okay, maybe comparing apples and oranges, no 725 frame on either EBC bike, but still.

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  23. amir
    Member

    My advice, buy the bike for the frame. You can always upgrade other bits over time. And make sure the bike fits.

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  24. Baldcyclist
    Member

    @Uberuce I have the triple full groupset...

    Triple shifters: some scratches/chips/dents, work fine
    Triple crankset: 53/42/34 (I think), normal wear. Works fine, middle ring replaced.
    Bottom bracket: been through the mill but still seems fine.
    Brakeset: rear was sticking all the time, serviced a number of times to get working again, may be fixable but wouldn't bet on it? Probably needs pads, may have some in my tin, don't know?
    Rear cassette: Don't really know condition of this, can't remember how old it was when taken off, probably do a turn.
    Chain: May, or may not be one in the bag, can't remember.

    Like I say hadn't really thought of selling this stuff, was going to build the Giant up to save my Cervelo, but bought the Whyte CX on cyclescheme instead!

    Would give it away just to see it used (same with the Giant frame), but I suppose a small amount of £s would be welcome.

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  25. Uberuce
    Member

    Had a shot on TBC's delectable Day-One Disc in the 58cm and it was a bit of an eye-opener. In the abstract I've known all my bikes are too small for me since I got them, but it's the first time I've really felt it. In wee blue floofy's case it's not a problem since I don't think it'd climb as well in my actual size, but getting back on black fruity shortly afterwards was decidedly underwhelming.

    If I'd not been called into work while I was in the shop I'd have asked for a shot of the 56cm Vapour, partly for more sizing and partly since it shares the Croix's groupset, but hey ho.

    To no mean extent I wish my knees had waited until this year to give up, because then I might have the Disc rather than wee blue floofy, much as I love throwing that device around. No more and no less fun to ride than floof(ie a lot) but those Avid-7 brakes are fearsome and the drops allow silliness the flats do not. Pretty tough cookie of a commuter, and if you did want to do some 'crossing on it, I think it'd be a wee nightmare like Asterix.

    Anyway, Baldcyclist, I do thank you for the offer, but I am now pretty set on the Croix. Just need to wait a handful of days so I'm sure it's not an impulse purchase.

    Of course, I could just find someone with smaller hands than me...

    And yes, that Volant 30 looks like they rolled the tubing on Aphrodite's thighs.

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  26. Uberuce
    Member

    Well, Instography and I soldiered into the Bike Chain this lunchtime after trading bikes; me to confirm sizing(I'm a mutant 5'10", but not mutant enough for 60cm) and Insto to dip his toe in fixed water.

    We came under heavy incoming fire almost immediately, and to save Insto from taking a Volant to the wallet, I threw myself into a hail of slate grey steel (enemy were using 725 rounds - have they no mercy?)and will spend the new few weeks fiscally convalescing. Great love hath no man etc...

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  27. amir
    Member

    Wow! You gonna need counselling.

    PY when you are in possession?

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  28. Uberuce
    Member

    Next PY will see me astride the Bike Station's Bullitt, but I'm sure something else will come up soon.

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  29. Instography
    Member

    It was a triumph of will to keep my mouth shut and hands and my credit card in my pocket. Uberuce's distraction was essential. Looking forward to doing a version of Ebony and Ivory with his black and my white Croix.

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  30. Smudge
    Member

    I notice no reply on Twitter from Genesis re pulling production frames off the line to provide alternative frameset colours :-(
    It's costing them a sale at the moment and me a shiny guilty thing!

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