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It's the Evening News. DO NOT READ THE COMMENTS.
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When on street trams must behave like conventional traffic. If a tram can not pass a cyclist it has to creep behind. No more dangerous than being followed by any other vehicle, hell probably a lot safer than most nonprofessional drivers :)
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I was in Ghent last year, walking down a narrow road. I suddenly realised a tram was creeping silently, slowly and politely behind me, because my umbrella was sticking out into the street. I moved my umbrella, and the tram went on its way!
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When on street trams must behave like conventional traffic. If a tram can not pass a cyclist it has to creep behind. No more dangerous than being followed by any other vehicle, hell probably a lot safer than most nonprofessional drivers :)
Although I can't disagree with what you're saying, the drivers of HGVs have a responsibility to satisfy themselves that their nearside is clear before turning left. Yet, despite making up < 5% of vehicle movements in London, almost everyone* killed in London was rolled over by a left-turning HGV.
Theory is, sadly for the deceased, not always followed in practice.
* only a modest exaggeration
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Tram shelters 'inadequate':
http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-tram-shelters-inadequate-say-critics-1-2912525
Does confirm that there should always be an open tram at the airport stop as someone on here suggested a while back.
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Transport convener Lesley Hinds said: “Shelters at tram stops have been specifically designed to cater to the anticipated passenger flows at each location."
So, not many passengers expected at most stops(?)
At least the article says there is still glass to be put in,
It must have been obvious for years (throughout the "planning" stage) that these were more about show than practicality.
It's also been 'obvious' on the ground for some months too.
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Edinburgh Park is clearly expected to cater for a maximum of about 4 passengers for any given tram, judging from the tiny shelter they've installed out there.
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Spot the Russell Road zigzag -
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Looking at that photo underlines that it's a good job we didn't inflate the £1,000,000,000 bill by the few pounds needed to build a world class elevated cycling expressway from Haymarket to the outskirts.
I guess it might have had more traffic than the adjacent tramline, which would have been embarrassing.
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I had a wander along the tram line the other night, the path after the bridge along side the golf course looks to be decent from what I could see, not sure if the quality drops as you get closer to Balgreen.
The question as to why there is a segregated bike lane going up to the Broomhouse tram stop has been answered. But a new question as to who would be daft enough to lock their bike in Broomhouse and get the tram to the airport/town has been raised.
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Just wondering how much or if any of the tram work has increased the provision for cyclists? Can cyclists cycle along the side of the track, hopefully on a bit designated for such use
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Can cyclists cycle along the side of the track
In some short sections, yes, with variable quality. The major "new" bit of path will be from Broomhouse at Saughton Mains Road, across the railway on the tram bridge and alongside Carrick Knowe golf course to Balgreen.
Broomhouse Path has been really messed up in sections, and a complete breakfast burrito has been made around Edinburgh Park Station.
Opportunity lost for safe cycle route at Gogar Roundabout as neither the tram tunnel or pedestrian tunnel to the new railway station will be cyclable.
Beyond the depot, you're on your own on the A8 Path.*
*not a path.
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"at Saughton Mains Road, across the railway on the tram bridge "
Are you suggesting that cyclists will be able to use the new bridge? I didn't think that was going to be the case - I had thought it would involve using the 'old' footbridge and linking via Carrick Knowe Av.
I may have misunderstood you here as I couldn't actually locate 'Saughton Mains Road' - was that a typo?
"neither the tram tunnel or pedestrian tunnel to the new railway station will be cyclable"
Such short-sightedness. On the latest tram pics I couldn't even see where the pedestrian tunnel would be (there will be one?)
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No there is a cycle path on the bridge along side the tram line, fantastically European given as you say it would hardly be a detour to use the old bridge and go round and no one would have been surprised had they done so.
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'Saughton Mains Road'
Yeah, I meant S. M. Street.
I thought CHDot had taken photo of the new bridge there showing the path going across it? Or did I get the wrong bridge?
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"Or did I get the wrong bridge?"
Sadly yes.
I was surprised that there was a cycle bit on the bridge over the railway to the golf course because they hadn't bothered anywhere else!
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Cheers Kaputnik. Yeah I cycle from the airport so am well aware of the quality of the A8 "path". Actually had to stop the other Friday at the bus stop opposite the travel lodge heading east bound on the path as some guy decided he wouldn't step under the shelter and just stood in the middle of the
pavementcycle path.Posted 11 years ago # -
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But the ambitious vision – revealed here before the present line to the airport is even finished – has already been labelled “fanciful”."
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Are they going to send it to all places that rhyme with Leith, seeing as they can't get it to the latter?
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Well when others see a great benefit from HS2 it's no surprise that we can get local folk so upbeat about trams. At the current rate of progress I'd be shortening the odds on having trains to Galashiels before the trams are running properly.
Grinding the rails already? Surely if the alignment and levelling of the rails was right and stable (given that the foundations are way heavier than the systems used elsewhere in Europe they should be) then all that is needed is a swift run through with a special sort of gulley sucker truck that has spinning stiff brushes to scour out the flangeways and scrub the railheads.
Still looking at the cross-section profile of the rail system in the road surface. In Sheffield, partly as a consequence of Roe vs Supertram & Others, the operator and owner of the track are very thorough in checking the extent to which the rails can be raised above the road surface. They aim for a maximum limit of 3mm. You are invited to make your own observations with a straightedge (a ruler will do) and gauge the gaps with coins (£1 is just about 3mm thick) For most road features affecting cyclists and pedestrians the maximum height of any ridge or step is 6mm, and some limits are reduced to 3mm to avoid the trip hazard.
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Neil Hynd, former chairman of Dalkeith Community Council, said: “If the tram line’s going to come to Dalkeith, it’ll be a good thing because it’ll get rid of some of buses off the road.”
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At least a tramline down to the RIE and Dalkeith (although the road down and up to Dalkeith seems pretty steep) would at least give us tram *network*, but surely they'd do Leith Walk first? That's got to be an easy win (or as easy as CEC can get for the tram). I dread to think the unknowns they'd uncover trying to get the tram up the Bridges.
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I was cycling back from the Gyle to Roseburn yesterday along the Broomhouse Path and saw the path by the tramway that heads to Roseburn. It's fenced before you cross the new bridge but I thought it looked encouraging, what with its cycle signs. I live in Roseburn and go that way to pick up parcels in South Gyle sorting office. It's not the most picturesque route but it does offer a quick exit to the west as you can join up with the canal. This is old news for many of you I suppose but it is the first time I've seen cycle signs pointing parallel to the tramway.
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I don't usually go that way, but was heading past Murrayfield and out westwards towards Broomhouse, so I passed where the cycle path next to the tram line would end at Balgreen (next to the Jenners building). The end of path is far from finished as their still using that spot for contractor's vehicle access so I don't know what it will be like eventually but I struck me that I wouldn't really like to be stuck in the middle of Balgreen road trying to turn right onto the cycle path. Anybody have any idea what the end of the path will look like? Will their be anything to assist cyclist coming out or going onto the path?
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I noticed in N. St. Andrew Street today that there is quite a ridge in the brickwork next to the tramlines. So it is in effect, another tramline to look out for before you even reach the tramlines.
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On 19th I looked over the parapet of the bridge at Maybury at the collection of track bits (not connected and scattered on the ballast) outside the depot East end.
Amazed that these aren't connected up yet. Any progress report from those cycling down this way?
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