With the previous trams people received injuries, lost legs etc. Frida Kahlo impaled on railings in Mexico City in I think a tram related injury?
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"platinum for the trams and gold for the buses"
I wonder what metal we would use to badge the city's cycling facilitiities ? Lead ? Rust ?
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COUNCIL chiefs are slashing the cost of trams from Ingliston – to encourage motorists to use a park-and-ride scheme.Transport chiefs are planning to cut the single ticket price from £2.50 to a flat £1.50 for drivers who leave their vehicle at the Ingliston park-and-ride facility and take the tram into the city.
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And I thought bus/tram fares were supposed to be the same!?
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£1.50 to Ingliston but £4.50 to the airport - I foresee a crocodile of bag-trundling pedestrians between the P&R and the terminal building...
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I have tried that once, taking a bus to the P&R and walking with case to the terminal. Not the nicest of walks with a case but I suppose for someone travelling more regularly it might be worth it for the overall saving.
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The Østbroen over Øresund between Denmark and Sweden took seven years. Cost around £2.4 billion pounds in the 90s.
This is a rail and road project and also was done in conjunction with the re-development of city transport in general with general long term ambitions. As featured in 'The Bridge' Nordic drama.
Copenhagen did look at trams but has gone for a more expensive Metro on basis of service and safety. They are busy doing next phase now. Street level is mainly buses.
Some good pics here of Danes and transport...
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FORTH BRIDGE - 3 years and 4 months...
Work started in 1882...
The final rivets were in place by December 1889So, 1889 - 1882 = ?
Also, it's estimated that 98 men died in its construction, not 60.
£3.2million in 1889 money c. £350million in 2013 money.
Titanic is a rather poor comparison as it has emerged that sub-quality iron got into the construction in the form of rivets in an effort to speed construction (and reduce costs). It's now thought that the failure of these rivets, made brittle by the extreme cold, could be one of the reasons the ship effectively popped open when it came into contact with the iceberg.
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Is there anyway to use the new tram infrastructure to get from gogar roundabout to ingliston p&r other than along the tram tracks? If not does anyone know why they didn't just widen the bit of tarmac by 1m or so each side?
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The Taj Mahal was built by 20,000 people and transport was provided by 1000 elephants. I'm not sure it's really the best comparison with the trams.
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Numbers of deaths during construction:
Forth Bridge - 98 (est.)
Golden Gate - 11
Titanic - 8
Empire State - 5 (officially recorded figure)
Eiffel Tower - 1
Shard - cannae find anything
Taj Mahal - unknown
Edinburgh Trams - a sense of perspectivePosted 10 years ago # -
Besançon begins city centre tram testing.
The new 14.5km tram line in Besançon cost €17m per km.
The new 14km tram line in Edinburgh cost about €66.5m per km.
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The Shard only cost 20M more than the Scottish Parliament building, and the Gherkin was less than half the price. Both were built quicker, too.
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Its only money which - as the bank of england proves regularly, can in fact just be printed at will.....
Anyway, expensive or not, am quite excited - will probably take some time off on launch day to give it a whirl !
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Me too :-)
Sadly since they've indefinitely postponed the Southside tram line I don't suppose I'll use it much after that.
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The eagle-eyed may have noticed that at Roseburn/Murrayfield they've actually built the turnoff which would take the tramline down the Roseburn Path.
Planning ahead for yet more ruiniation of cycling in Edinburgh.
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What a nice looking, people friendly city-centre in Besançon.
What a contrast to Edinburgh's traffic dominated hodge-podge of cars, street clutter, infinite numbers of pedestrian crossings, narrow pavements...
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@edd1e_h That looks like the usual French approach - take the opportunity presented by installing trams to make the city centre a much more attractive place for people, with improvements to the public realm and either pedestrianising or severely restricting vehicular access and parking. Invariably you end up with a bustling city centre...
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@k I think that will be some way off. Leith Walk and Leith would be the obvious first extension. By the time Roseburn gets looked at we'll have had 20 years of on-street cycling infrastructure so a much reduced need for the Roseburn path. :/
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Noted on Friday that the crossing lights are being installed where the new bit of Broomhouse Path meets Balgreen Road.
The orange covers were still over the top of the poles so it wasn't clear if it was a Pelican or a Toucan, but you'd have to *hope* it's a Toucan... although since the South Gyle Access crossing debacle, competence cannot be assumed.
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The eagle-eyed may have noticed that at Roseburn/Murrayfield they've actually built the turnoff which would take the tramline down the Roseburn Path
But with remarkable lack of foresight*, only on the track from the west...St Andrew's Square/Leith/anywhere else to the east of Roseburn to Granton not an option apparently
*okay...SOP for CEC
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@ps "the usual French approach"
Hmmmm......
Doesnt match my experience of France (metropolitan and provincial).
Even in Besancon, in the 1k square area of the oxbow round the citadel there are at least 6 multi storey car parks - so they might want the couple of streets surrounding the historical centre to be car free, but its not really sending a message of 'dont bring the car'.
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But with remarkable lack of foresight*, only on the track from the west...
Wonder if the plan would be to run as far as Murrayfield/Roseburn stop and then to change direction towards Granton?
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@Nelly True (or in my experience, they tend to stick a great big underground car park under the large 19th century square that is almost inevitably on the edge of the medieval/early modern town centre).
That seems to be a pragmatic solution that keeps the centre people-friendly, but allows drivers to get into town as well (I don't know how good rural-to-provincial-centre public tranport is in France, so don't know how practical it would be to encourage people not to use the car).
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You're probably right Mr K, but that's really spoiling the ship for a ha'p'orth of tar - the layout of the land the track is on looks as if it was meant to be from both ways, but I suppose cutting costs now was the order of the day, even if it means more costs later.
Posted 10 years ago # -
but I suppose cutting costs now was the order of the day, even if it means more costs later.
Passing through York Place for the first time on the bus last night I noticed the tram tracks optimistically go straight-on towards Leith on both sides of the road, even though the current arrangement is going to a single line and platform on the north side of the street.
Posted 10 years ago # -
has someone mentioned this already? the Local transport startegy has a special mention that bike and pedestrian paths will be maintained where trams run on old railway lines.
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No guarantee that they will be the same, or improved standard though, as far as I know. So you could end up with a narrower path, or one which keeps detouring onto roads because the trackbed is too narrow for a tram-line and a cycle/ped path.
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