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Posted 12 years ago #
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My rear wheel got sucked in on the way home eastwards yesterday. I've been one of at least three cyclists every time i've been through the east section since it was shifted a lane to the north.
Posted 12 years ago # -
I wonder if there might be some inspired repurposing ideas for the trams/tramway?
In amongst all the other normal rolling stock, Stockholm has some cafetrams which looked fun.
Posted 12 years ago # -
"T-shirts bearing slogans they find offensive"
They better have extremely good definitions of this, either that or good lawyers - which given their history thus far doesn't seem likely.
I like a bit of order and courtesy on public transport, but, a bit of freedom to.
Now, where is my old battered Inspiral Carpets T-shirt which declares me to be cool as fu
Posted 12 years ago # -
I'm wondering if the trams will have powers to bash and biff cars aside when they get in the way of the tram, as they seem to do in Brussels and Amsterdam. Somehow I doubt it.
Posted 12 years ago # -
Good grief, the comments section raises Communist Germany; the Nazis; AND Auschwitz. Hyperbole pie anyone?
The fines are 'up to' £1000, though all seem to be jumping on the 'they'll fine me £1000 for a t-shirt!' line. In reality they'll likely come nowhere near that, and they only actually occur if it all goes to court.
Sheesh.
The offensive t-shirts is interesting. They've got every right to refuse transport to anyone for any publicised reasons. It's a condition of travel that they can very easily place on the use of a ticket. Where it gets difficult is if the inspectors deem, say, a pro-gay rainbow t-shirt offensive. Again, back into the real world I suspect it will be things like t-shirts with swearing on them, and to be honest I've got no problem with them enforcing that.
Storm, meet t-cup. I suspect these rules aren't actually that much different from those already in place for the buses (or trains). But it's trams, ergo bad (I'm no fan of the trams shambles, but to be honest I'm now of the mind that they're here to stay, they're not going to go back now, so we might as well just get on with it - and make the interaction with cycling better).
Posted 12 years ago # -
Lothian Buses Conditions of Carriage:
Travelling on a bus means sharing the space with other people. Passengers must therefore do nothing which endangers or causes discomfort or offence to any other person on the bus. Specifically, passengers must not smoke, put their feet on seats, play music which another passenger can hear or cause any other disturbance.
Additionally, passengers must not distract or obstruct the driver, or interfere with any equipment on the bus.
Drivers may refuse to carry any item which they believe to be excessively large or likely to cause injury to anyone or damage to any property. Passengers must follow all instruction given by the driver in relation to items brought onto the bus.
When they board passengers must state the journey they are taking, pay the fare or present a valid pre-paid ticket. At the end of that journey, they must leave the bus.
Passengers who break these rules must give their name and address to the driver when requested and may be obliged to leave the bus by a Company official or a Police Officer.
No food or drink may be consumed while travelling on the Company’s buses. Hot drinks must be carried in a sealed container.
No alcohol may be taken on to a bus by passengers travelling to or from football matches at Easter Road or Tynecastle Stadiums or to or from international rugby matches at Murrayfield Stadium.
The legal obligations which apply to passengers travelling on our buses are set out in “The Public Service Vehicles (Conduct of Drivers, Inspectors, Conductors and Passengers) Regulations 1990”.
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Posted 12 years ago # -
"The council said the new tram by-laws have been based on a similar system to Manchester."
Seems sensible enough to me, i.e. not reinventing the wheel.
Posted 12 years ago # -
I just flinch whenever I see something that uses a subjective criterion.
Posted 12 years ago # -
"I just flinch whenever I see something that uses a subjective criterion."
Understandable, and would actually be better if they tried to define a little, but hopefully as it is it shouldn't lead to inspectors with an irrational dislike of purple punting punters off the trams.
I still fnid the EN response funny, that all of a sudden there are going to be £1000 fines dished out by the inspectors willy-nilly.
Posted 12 years ago # -
"all of a sudden there are going to be £1000 fines dished out by the inspectors willy-nilly"
Well they've got to make the trams pay somehow...
Posted 12 years ago # -
What gets me most is them having the temerity to call 1/2 the intended line a "Network"!
Posted 12 years ago # -
Lothian Buses Conditions of Carriage...
...When they board passengers must state the journey they are taking
Ha! Everyone knows that you just tell the driver of a Lothian Bus what price of ticket that you want and that's how it works - even before the introduction of flat rate tickets, you didn't ask for "a single to town" you asked for "seventy please" etc.
It was only SMT/Eastern Scottish who you had to tell where you were going, as they had a more complex fare structure that required the driver to look up a little book and I think they were generally from out-of-town routes and not so familiar with the exact fare from St Johns Road to Pilrig off the top of their head.
Posted 12 years ago # -
I'd be interested in an inspector were to decide that taking your cycle onto the tram was unacceptable. Has there been any clarification about the carriage of bicycles on the tram ?
Posted 12 years ago # -
Last time I got a bus I told the driver where I going seeing as I was on crutches and I figured he'd want to know where I was getting off to give me adequate time... He had no idea that the stop I wanted (Balgreen Road, end of) was on his route (the 26).
Posted 12 years ago # -
There's no pleasing the EEN commentators. You give them a picture of a giant tram-destroying robot and what do you get?:
"I don't like it.
looks rubbish."and
"Very poor"
Posted 12 years ago # -
I glanced from the train window to the adjacent tram tracks in the west of Edinburgh this morning: as I do, always check to see what progress there's been.
I noticed that the brand new shared use path (not even open yet) alongside the tram line at Carrick Knowe is completely flooded at two points. Massive deep lakes, after only a day of heavy rain. The tram track? No flooding.
Good work boys! Another piece of quality shared use infrastructure.
Posted 12 years ago # -
Shelter for hundreds of people (apparently). Should keep taxi drivers happy.
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Edinburgh Trams (@EdinburghTrams)
12/12/2012 17:20
New tram picture update is on the way soon. Here's an early look at one from the new batch - airport tram stop http://pic.twitter.com/WApsEx3v"
Posted 11 years ago # -
How are you supposed to get to the darn thing with that ruddy great blast proof wall surrounding it? I'd be interested to know how much has been spent on 'security measures' like this: one of the key reasons Holyrood went over budget was the redesign to 'bomb-proof' the building after 2001...
Posted 11 years ago # -
The entrance is from the left. I very much doubt that is a blast wall TBH. That side of the station is a long way from everything except the Gogar Burn so I suspect it is an anti-flood precaution.
Posted 11 years ago # -
That side of the station is a long way from everything
Er, then why is the airport terminal building looming in the background?
EDIT: Hmm, does look like a shoring wall next to the burn right enough. Propaganda video below, don't watch if you can't stand Cllr Hinds or Cabinet Secretary Brown...
Posted 11 years ago # -
The "roof" on the tram stop is just perfect for letting the wind and rain in.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Yes, the "roof" looks very substantial... and utterly useless and providing protection!
I couldn't help but smirk when I saw the company name on the measuring gauge attached to the Leica meter at the end of the video - BAM. There have certainly been a lot of times I've thought, "Ya bam!" when thinking of people involved in this project!
Posted 11 years ago # -
I've just seen one MOVING! Be still my beating heart.
Posted 11 years ago # -
I've seen tube stations which have a glass wall between the platform and the tracks, and where the doors line up and open at the same time as the doors on the tube. Why couldn't anyone in Edinburgh figure out that half of the year the weather is inclement and implement this and a covered walk way to the terminal?
Posted 11 years ago # -
The "roof" on the tram stop is just perfect for letting the wind and rain in.
I see they've managed to design the roof with a curved underside. If they'd made it flat then when it's windy and rainy the local air pressure above the roof would have been lowered, thus helping attract the rain and away from the prospective passengers.
Or they could have just installed an extra-long bus shelter.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Jubilee Line extension has the platform edge doors/glazing. More for purposes of keeping the passengers off the track than the passengers out the rain, but it would be an excellent idea for our tram stops.
Posted 11 years ago # -
The airport is the terminus of the line so, depending on expected turnaround times, it's possible that for the majority of the day there would be a tram sitting at the stop. In which case, passengers would wait onboard the tram rather than on the platform itself, reducing the usefulness of a fantoosh roof on the tramstop.
Posted 11 years ago # -
I don't think that's supposed to be a shelter at all, but rather a large sculpture-cum-wordless-sign, the aerofoil shape of which clearly indicates to all passengers that they've arrived at the airport. >:(
It's the only logical explanation.
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