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THE “full picture” of Edinburgh’s troubled tram project may never emerge from the public inquiry because many documents may have gone missing, an ex- council leader has claimed.
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It means you are unlikely to save much time taking your bike on the tram unless you are fighting a bit of a headwind.
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I had to tell a visiting party of Americans that their day saver tickets were valid on the trams. Think there needs to be more advertising to spread the love.
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I was shopping at Hermiston Gait last night. Hot and sticky, and with the Brompton, I contemplated taking the tram to Balgreen. Just missed a tram, so rode the bike on the path alongside the tracks the whole way. Got to Balgreen with no tram in sight.
So, for me at least, if I include the waiting time then the bike is quicker.
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@gembo I looked for ages on lothianbuses.com and edinburghtrams.com to find out precisely that, would a Lothian Buses day ticket be valid on the tram? I searched and searched and could not find that information anywhere on the glammed up websites. In the end I went for it anyway purely because I remember hearing at least a year ago that they would be. (It was fine of course - the clippie, he say yes.)
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Info was on council website I think but maybe this is not being pushed to the tourists or indeed locals
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"but maybe this is not being pushed to the tourists or indeed locals"
Yes well, they need the tram to make some money.
Tram needs to attract (LOTS OF) extra trippers.
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"I searched and searched and could not find that information anywhere on the glammed up websites"
Hmmmmmm I thought the interchangeable tickets were obvious?
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I'm not sure why "glammed up" sounds pejorative, but it does.
I am sure that anyone who searched and searched for info on day ticket validity with no success is being disingenuous at best.
Try "edinburgh tram day ticket" in google ... you get the info you want on the FIRST result, without any need to even open the link.
Can't beat accusations of conspiracy theories though, it fairly keeps the een page visit counter ticking over.
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Hmm, if you go to the edinburgh Trams we site, then click 'tickets' it tells you that Day Tickets can be used.
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Have to agree.
I looked on the site to check just this fact the other day.
I have no use for the tram with my routes these days.
might have if it had opened on timePosted 10 years ago # -
Thanks crowriver et al, it is indeed obvious now. I can only say that, for whatever reason, it wasn't at all obvious on the opening weekend!
barnton-to-town, I refer you to Hanlon's razor.
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Used it on Saturday, we were on Shandwick place wondering whether to turn for home then decided to go to Decathlon by tram.
I used it before on the "El Saldvador" exercise, but this was my first shot as a paying customer.
We missed the first tram because of queue at ticket machine, one side wasn't accepting coins, and there appears to be a Paywave device (which was non-functional) so ended up doign chip and pin which just took too long. Also, despite the flat fare structure, the machine operates on a "choose your destination basis" which further takes vital seconds (and then prints a flat-fare ticket with no destation, regardless).
Beyond that it's a good piece of transport, I would never have thought "let's jump on a bus out to Hermiston Gait", it was fast and comfortable and direct.
now, if only it went anywhere else useful!
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Evening News (@edinburghpaper) tweeted at 6:15pm - 10 Jun 14:
The great Evening News Tram v Bus challenge has been completed. Find out who won the race to the airport in tomorrow's paper..
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I am going to take it to the gyle tomorrow at lunch time to pick up a pair of cycling chinos. How far is gyle stop from marks and Spencer's?
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"The great tram v bus challenge".
Brilliant, so if the tram was slower in their test (doubtless carried out during non rush hour to favour bus) this will allow them to spin out the " we all hate the tram " lie.
Well, we don't all hate it. Now its here,it is just another form of transport like a bus, train, bike, car, whatever.
Actually, having tried it I like it. Looking forward to the bike experiment in a few months.
That paper is pathetic.
And, gembo a hundred yards or so - stop is at Morrison's side.
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Ta, the trams I like,the trews, I will let you know
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A short cycle...
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If they did the test yesterday evening then the Trams would have won. Otherwise the bus is quicker.
Some more top journalism.
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I'm sure if I've spent 28 hrs travelling from New Zealand then the extra five minutes on the tram is going to mean a lot to me.
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Aren't the trams still on "go slow"?
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They did (as I suspected) arrange the race for 2.30 - i.e. non rush hour.
However.......The tram won.
The bus broke down and they had to recalibrate the scores..............The tram still won.
The guy on board the bus actually said if this had been rush hour the tram would have wiped the floor with the Airlink bus.
EEN gave Mr Copymade some more airtime too.
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I'm *almost* tempted to read the article.
But, the whole which is quicker thing kind of misses the point.
One of my colleagues was meeting some friends in town last week, and rather than drive in which he would have previously done he took the tram.
Now as far as I'm concerned if it gets people off the road it's a good things.
Irrespective of the politics and poor project management behind it.
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I honestly find it hard to belive that long term people will switch out their car for the tram but wouldn't have for the bus. The time differential isn't that much.
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The time differential isn't that much.
Until you factor in trying to get parked...
The real sillyness of the tram is how little penetration it has to residential areas. Neither the Balgreen, Saughton or Roseburn stops are actually that handily located for residential areas. Corstorphinites will probably stick religiously to the bus.
Now, if it had gone down the middle of Leith walk...
It really has to be expanded into areas where lots of people live before it makes huge changes to how people get about town.
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http://usa.streetsblog.org/2012/06/21/explaining-the-psychological-appeal-of-rail-over-buses/
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in a second study set in Switzerland, 75 percent preferred trams to buses — even given identical service levels.Of note, researchers found preferences for rail travel were “rather irrational” and “highly loaded with emotional and social attributions.”
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Walker pointed out that the German study found that there are a percentage of people who reported they would prefer buses to trains. Their most cited reason? Routing — i.e. the ability to get where they need to go
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Until you factor in trying to get parked...
I was thinking more people who have habitually driven to town rather than taking the bus and now claim they'll use the tram but would never have considered the bus. The tram isn't that much quicker than the bus. But perhaps it is social stigma, what was it Thatcher said about buses, your a failure if you use one?
Looking at the tram line, the only residential area served by it is the North half of Broomhouse who can use the Saughton House stop. It would have been better out side Saughton Mains where the guided 22 used to stop. South Broomhouse probably go to Calder Road for the 3*. Carrick Knowe residents might but only because the alternative is the 1.
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"I honestly find it hard to belive that long term people will switch out their car for the tram but wouldn't have for the bus."
Well that was one of the justifications for the tram - based on 'experience elsewhere'.
This seemed to have ignored the fact that people in Edinburgh used buses more than in most (UK at least) cities.
Anecdotally it seems it might have worked - all the more reason for restricting traffic on the 'tram corridor' (eg through Corstorphine!)
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Looking at the tram line, the only residential area served by it is the North half of Broomhouse who can use the Saughton House stop.
People don't live at Balgreen, Murrayfield or Haymarket then? Are all those flats and houses empty?
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