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  1. Nelly
    Member

    Tram - mini review:

    As I am on a night out later, I am using public transport today. Pre tram option was the 24 bus to Lothian Road, then the 22 to Edinburgh Park.

    Today, 24 bus to Lothian Road, 2 min walk to Atholl Crescent and Tram to EP Central.

    Overall Journey time is probably similar.

    However the "onboard experience" aboard the tram is just so much better - more legroom (I am quite tall), more comfy seating, and a smoother ride.

    Having said all that, cycling is still quicker than either !!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. Snowy
    Member

    @SRD @Nelly cool, thanks for confirming. I know the app allowed it but for a while there was an anomaly that the manual paper dayticket from a bus couldn't be used on the tram. Glad that's been cleared up!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

  4. chdot
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  5. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Edinburgh trams to carry passengers if trains disrupted

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-35344060

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    so long as you're trying to get a train between Edinburgh Park / Haymarket and Waverley then you're sorted!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. jonty
    Member

    And Edinburgh Gateway!

    I know this doesn't seem like much but will actually be quite useful when a blockage close to Edinburgh does happen. I was once commuting in on an Edinburgh-bound train which was cancelled at Slateford, and it seemed silly that the guard couldn't just tell us our tickets were valid on the bus and send us down the steps to the bus stop. (It was interesting to see how clueless a lot folk from the west (who presumably worked in Edinburgh) were about Edinburgh buses. I guess they never really have to use them.) Hopefully this can be extended to buses soon too - it seems to work well in London.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

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    A MARKETING campaign aimed at promoting the Capital following disruption caused by tram works has generated a £50 million economic boost.

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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/this-is-edinburgh-campaign-delivers-50m-boost-1-4020680

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

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    MARKETING campaign aimed at promoting the Capital following disruption caused by tram works is set to go out with a bang – by hosting an after-party.

    This is Edinburgh will kick-off its two-day extravaganza with a party at Summerhall on Friday, March 18, followed by a big brunch served across the city the next day.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/this-is-edinburgh-plans-epic-after-party-1-4033682

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    There was a very interesting Storyville film on that we watched last night about an enormously expensive party the last Shah of Iran threw for himself to celebrate with other royals/dictators/global power makers how wonderful and important and successful he was. No locals / riff-raff allowed.

    About 8 years later he was deposed from power.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

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    THE Edinburgh tram development put the Scottish capital on the international stage – but for all the wrong reasons. Cost over-runs and extended delays in the project came partly from a major dispute with the key contractor.

    Although the traumas remain ingrained on the memories of civic officials (as well as the city’s residents), Edinburgh Council believes that proceeding with phase two of the project can boost the city’s economy and act as a catalyst in transforming its waterfront area.

    While the ultimate decision has now been deferred until after the 2017 Scottish local council elections, there will be major concerns about Edinburgh enduring another financial fiasco should the extension project go ahead. To alleviate the risk of history repeating itself, the city should consider how it wants to deal with any disputes which do arise.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/lindy-patterson-dispute-board-could-keep-trams-on-track-1-4040219

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. neddie
    Member

    Free publicity for international law firm CMS.

    Did the additional Forth Road Bridge need a "Dispute Board"? No thought not.

    Sounds like lawyers creating 'jobs for the boys' (& girls) by manufacturing conflict.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. jonty
    Member

    Erm...

    "Here in Scotland, there is currently one in place for the new Forth Road Crossing, while Transport for London has also set up its own style of dispute board, known as its Conflict Avoidance Panel, which could be rolled out for all major infrastructure projects in future."

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

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    FRESH concerns have been raised about proposals to pump £20 million of Lothian Buses’ money into expanding the city’s tram network.

    Kenneth Lawrie, chief executive of Midlothian Council, which has a five per cent stake in the bus service, expressed “serious” doubts about the impact of the move.

    But bus chiefs have insisted they remain “fully committed” to meeting the needs of customers across Midlothian and said they would soon announce “enhanced services for the area”.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/20m-newhaven-tram-plan-to-potential-detriment-of-bus-service-1-4081105

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

  16. The Boy
    Member

    Non-story really, isn't it? Would be odd if a bus fare increased by 10p while the tram remained at the old price.

    Ironically, there actually is an interesting tid-bit in there about increasing frequency and reducing journey times, but typically the journalist focuses on OUTRAGE and a nonsense quote from a Tory councillor.

    eta: Actually, the return ticket is interesting. Reasonably imaginative way around the minimum card payment issues. Will be useful for the occasions I take the tram to college.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. chdot
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  18. Hook. Line. Sinker.

    "7:50 AM on 01/04/2016

    There will be no significant savings from this even looking at it long term. In fact, it will probably cost more. There are conversion costs and they will still have to employ someone to sit in the driver's seat. Eventually they may be autonomous but not any time soon as the Government will need to change legislation, which will only happen after years of testing. If the Germans aren't prepared to do it just now then it's not going to happen here any time soon. And what the hell do they mean about not allowing driverless trams anywhere near traffic? Just how are they going to do that seeing as they share sections of the road with regular traffic?"

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. chdot
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  20. chdot
    Admin

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    THE man behind Edinburgh’s Hogmanay celebrations has urged the city council to complete the tram service to Leith or risk stalling the regeneration of the waterfront indefinitely.

    Events organiser Pete Irvine believes a concert venue, arts centre or film studio would help turn the neglected waterfront into a major destination.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/hogmanay-guru-pete-irvine-backs-leith-tram-extension-1-4098614

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

  22. acsimpson
    Member

    I wonder how much Virgin paid to be the brand of choice to advertise the adverts.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. steveo
    Member

    Made the mistake of taking the tram back from Waverley with my buddy this evening rather than riding. After being abruptly informed we'd come in the wrong door we were ushered to the center carriage, I may have irked the inspector further by pushing the bike down the half carriage, we're told to stick our bikes against the door and to stand with them. So far as I can tell there is no difference between any of the middle doors except that the bike spots have stickers and were a wheel chair to board, I'd be in the way.

    On the plus side I did see the flying Scotsman at the Balgreen tram stop. Really should have cycled, could have got some photies.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. Ed1
    Member

    You have to stand on the opposite side from the boarding side so if take the tram the full distance you get on at york place and stand on the opposite side of the door, then when the tram moves change sides, then before Haymarket you change to the other side. In the other direction you change sides after Haymarket. So if wheel chair user gets on should be clear of the door as be on the other side.

    I got the tram yesterday evening as had a lot of shopping.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. steveo
    Member

    You have to stand on the opposite side from the boarding side so if take the tram the full distance you get on at york place and stand on the opposite side of the door

    Yeah I know, and it was explained in very explicit detail by the inspector but instead of having the full length of the boarding area to manoeuvre there is now a person an bike at the end. The other middle doors wouldn't have this issue and there is no other difference in configuration.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Are trams immune from getting done for blocking yellow box junctions? Tram #252 did this (entirely deliberately, IMO) at Princes St & S Charlotte St this morning. Gridlock for all for a light cycle. Thanks for that, TfE!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

  28. Stickman
    Member

  29. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Trams were not universally welcomed, precisely because they catered for the working classes. The City of London refused to allow trams on its streets, arguing that they “catered for an undesirable class of person”. It was an attitude that was not confined to the City.

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    CEC got round the 'class problem' by making them more 'luxury' (leather seats!). Altogether more expensive than the earlier versions (more regulations also a factor).

    More trams and fewer cars would be progress (tracks not great for cycling of course). But original business case didn't anticipate a significant reduction in car use.

    A tram along the Roseburn Path would not be progress.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Despite the spin to the effect, what Edinburgh has built itself is not a tram network, we've got an overly highly-specced light rail line with a bit on a the streets, nothing really comparable with the genuine mass transit tram system of old.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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