"cyclists are not permitted to use these crossings"
No idea if this is the same as (previous) 'cyclists must dismount', or...
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Posted 11 years ago #
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Let's just dust off the precedent of Crank vs Brooks shall we?
Then drop in Glen Tanar (1931) for good measure.
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"cyclists are not permitted to use these crossings"
I presume that policing this will be done using fairies or some other imaginary entity?
I cant get too worked up about it, I will cross the lines wherever I feel safe.
There has been a cyclists dismount sign at stenhouse for yonks and I cycle past it every day - so long in fact I forgot it was there until someone here mentioned it a month or so back.
This is as sensible as the 'no cycling' signs that were on the meadows - and I expect this rule to be consigned to the same bin in room 101.
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@Nelly - correction, there has been a "Cyclist Dismount" sign at Broomhouse. I've always assume that I amn't the individual in question.
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Ah yes I forgot that peach. I hates bad gramar moi.
I find airports / flying always gives numpties the chance to use rotten spelling/grammar - await being told to deplane - that will be my cue to chuck it all for a croft......or something.
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Surprised no-one posted this -
Maybe 'we' are so fed up as to be indifferent(?)
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Commuters faced delays of up to 20 minutes during rush hour yesterday as contractors started installing cabling at the junction of Princes Street and Lothian Road.A dozen buses could be seen backed-up 300 metres at the junction during rush hour yesterday.
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Didn't even register here as a problem yesterday. Is everyone just avoiding the centre of town?
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A nearby pedestrian crossing will be moved in a bid to ease congestion,
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Business as usual then.
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but a council spokeswoman added: “There’s no diversion signs up as such because you don’t need a diversion, you can still go that way."
Bit like The Meadows -
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Everyone who was avoiding the middle of town was evidently trying to get to Comiston Road, which is currently almost impossible because the 4-way temporary lights at Braid Road aren't synchronized with those at Greenbank crossroads. Not that it's anything to do with too many cars all trying to occupy the same road at once or anything.
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On the bus lastnight we crawlled to a halt on George street for the first 30 mins of the one hour journey. We were so late the usual one hour queues at Quality street (gas works) were gone (or else ppl are taking alternate routes?). Anyway the bus then broke the speed limit the rest of my jorney even hitting 40mph through our home town as it tried to make up time.
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6 Sheffield stands at the Edinburgh Park (at Lochside, not station) tram stop. Three on each side of the line. But can you ride between them?
I guess is what "modal integration" means down at tram HQ.
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Must wander over for a wee look tomorrow. They are building another stop just before Makro, but I didnt notice stands.
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The warning came as the city council said it would be removing the pedestrian crossing outside the former Caledonian Hotel in efforts to minimise disruption and improve traffic flow.
War against the motorist my bloody arse!
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Extracts from email (with permission) and reply -
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I wish to comment on the recently opened section of Princes St travelling east, just beside Topman, where the tram turns into South St Andrew St. I think it is an accident waiting to happen.
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The cyclist is forced into a narrow lane through which all buses and taxis pass, and in which tram rails just start to turn the corner north into South St Andrew St. It is very difficult crossing angle and pinch point.
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The pavement has been built out considerably, which adds to the problem.
I wish to make a case for requesting a cycle route across part of the built out pavement to give an easier angle across the turning tram rails. I think it utterly essential that the road design is amended somehow. The council has a duty of care to all road users. As a cyclist I don't often use this argument because I understand the competing demands of road users and restraints on space and funding. But this design is simply lethal.
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The tram route at the east end of Princes Street does turn left into South St Andrew Street. All other traffic is banned from this manoeuvre, however, during the design process the Tram Designer expressed concerns about the safety of cyclists continuing eastward at this location. The concern was that cyclists may be trapped on the inside of the Tram as it turned left.
To reduce the likelihood of this occurring the traffic signals have been phased so that trams should be the only vehicle travelling in this lane in that stage. In addition for eastbound traffic Princes Street has been reduced to a single lane and the width has been reduced so that cyclist will not be able to travel alongside a tram in this lane.
This location will be monitored to assess how motorists, cyclists and pedestrians negotiate this junction and if considered practical modifications will be made.
However, in recognition of the concerns expressed by you and others regarding this location a site meeting was planned with cycling representatives,...
In the mean time if you are crossing the tracks please try and do so as close to 90 degrees as possible, as recommended in the Highway Code (part 278) I appreciate that may be a bit of an ask at that location but as I say we will look at it next week with Spokes.
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The main danger there just now is the taxis, especially of you're turning right from Waverley bridge. Without exception taxis overtake aggressively on this turn, cutting me up and coming close to clupping the bike on several occasions. Only to then sit at the pedestrian crossing occupying the entire narrowed road.
I suspect this is due to frustration at getting stuck behind cyclists slowly navigating the tram rails, but I hardly think this justifies putting others in danger.
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In the mean time if you are crossing the tracks please try and do so as close to 90 degrees as possible
They've got to be having a laugh, surely? To get 90 degrees you'd have to be jinking like a BMXer on speed!
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When running back from work last week I had to stop at this point before crossing the road. There was a cyclist hotly tailgated by two black cabs, and as he crossed the first rail it grabbed the front wheel and gave him quite a shake.
No extra space from the taxi driver of course, who was trying to get past at the same time. Eventually someone will go down under the wheels of a vehicle there, it seems inevitable.
For 90 degrees read: signal, pull out into the centre of the road and let people scream and beep at you. A surefire way to get children and old people onto their bikes :)
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Could they even put some signs up about "please do not overtake cyclists here"? I mean, creating a proper No Overtaking zone would be better (but probably far too complicated, even if such zones apply to overtaking bikes) but even some nice little yellow signs might indicate an acknowledgement that there is a problem...
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The warning came as the city council said it would be removing the pedestrian crossing outside the former Caledonian Hotel in efforts to minimise disruption and improve traffic flow.War against the motorist my bloody arse!
"Agreed. Which crossing are they planning on removing - the one on Princes St or the one on Lothian Road?
I generally don't hold to the popular feeling that 'Edinburgh is crap', but that viewpoint is challenged every time I need to cross the bottom of Lothian Road and witness the ridiculous volume and speed of traffic battering on and off Princes St.
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TBH, I kinda buy the Council's explanation on this one - we wouldn't want people to be encouraged to go up the inside of a lorry that was turning left, so why would we do that when it's a tram?
Another measure that would help is a properly enforced 20mph speed limit on Princes Street.
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Aye it makes sense in theory, in operation we'll see. In the mean time they've created an artificial obstacle which won't be resolved for many many years.
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Just found a special bike friendly version -
http://www.strail.de/index.php?id=479&L=1
Must be too expensive for Edinburgh.
Or something.
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"@Nelly - correction, there has been a "Cyclist Dismount" sign at Broomhouse. I've always assume that I amn't the individual in question."
Well, hard to spot now -
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Must be too expensive for Edinburgh.
EdinburghTrams confirmed to me in July last year that the crossing at Bankhead Drive would use Strail infill. They wouldn't however state whether it was pedestStrail or veloStrail that would be used.
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"There is precedent for a sign here in Fife where all road users are asked not to overtake cyclists at islands"
They also exist around the Musselburgh area if I remember correctly. And they seem to be obeyed in my experience. One of the few positives of using the coast road when it comes to motorist behaviour.
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