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West Crosscauseway to be pedestrianised?

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  • Started 13 years ago by chdot
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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Not sure what is proposed for bikes.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/edinburgh/2010/jun/04/edinburgh-green-space-causey-urban

    tomorrow- SAT - is your last chance to visit the exhibition - from 11am to 1pm at the Inspace Gallery, at Edinburgh University's Informatics building on Crichton Street, Potterrow.

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  2. Kim
    Member

    The students will carry on cycling through anyway. It shows that traffic calming is the way ahead.

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  3. LaidBack
    Member

    Would be good if they did that and established a route to use toucan crossing. When I do tours I have to walk people over and into St Patricks square via pend from end of Buccleuch St to 'escape' Meadows. The NCN has no clear route in my opinion (and that of visiting bike tourists).

    Coming back it's easier as West Cross Causeway is one way...

    A garage on the street contains two Porsches... so some access will have to be maintained.

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  4. Kim
    Member

    It would be great if we could take a more European approach where motorised access to town centres is strictly for residents only (and there are encouraged to use parking on the periphery). I have seen some where cycling in pedestrianised areas is not allowed, but a blind eye is turned to those who do so slowly, it is really about have respect for others.

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  5. chdot
    Admin

    "
    PopUP Lighting at The Causey Wednesday 9 March 2011    

    In a flash, or flashmob, 50 torchbearers will be spectacularly lighting up part of Edinburgh’s South Side, banishing the gloom of winter and showing some of our great buildings in a new light.
    "
    http://www.thecausey.org/news.html

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  6. DaveC
    Member

    I think only private pedestrian areas are generally Bike free? from my experience of Multrees Walk anyway.

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  7. LaidBack
    Member

    There's an opportunity here to make a better street and a route onto NCN1 in both directions.
    Not that I've got any commercial reasons!:-)

    Bikes of course are 'traffic' and not always any more popular than cars to some residents. I don't see it being a hi-speed route being roughly cobbled and a bit indirect in comparison with Gifford Park or Melville Drive. Would actually be a good place for a bike business to be based if sorted.

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  8. steveo
    Member

    Would actually be a good place for a bike business to be based if sorted.

    Didn't Edinburgh's second most famous bike shop start out there. Behind LaidBack's Recumbamentalist

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  9. wingpig
    Member

    It's not particularly a high-speed route except for the impatient mostly-taxi traffic which swervingly divert rightwards down it with no care for any pedestrians already crossing it when they get held up for FIFTEEN WHOLE SECONDS by the pedestrian crossing immediately to the south. Despite it being cobblesome it was one of my favourite routes westward when I lived on the Pleasance. The time I saved by not having to wait at the lights on Marshall Street or West Richmond Street more than made up for having to slow down a bit.

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  10. chdot
    Admin

  11. LaidBack
    Member

    chdot No - I didn't know that. Before my time in Edinburgh.

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  12. SRD
    Moderator

    Another early decision was that the shop would open at 10.00, this was to suit the staff/owners!.........They still open at 10.00.

    Main reason they don't get more of my trade!

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  13. chdot
    Admin

    "This evening from 7.45pm around 50 torchbearers will light up part of Edinburgh's Southside. The pop-up lighting event is organised by the Causey Development Trust. If you are going, please share photos in our Flickr pool and we'll put them on the blog."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk//edinburgh/2011/mar/09/edinburgh-tram-tickets-causey-foursquare-holyrood?mobile-redirect=false

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  14. LaidBack
    Member

    I've had a pm from them - the idea of another cross town route appeals - in a cycling city you can't have too many routes!.

    "One of the key aspects of the Causey is to link to
    wider paths and green spaces, so it's good to learn more about these (ie laid back tours and the forum links I placed).

    Basically the aim of the Causey is to reclaim the street from vehicles for people.

    The intention is not to pedestrianise the street in the sense of excluding vehicles and bikes, but to make a shared surface which accommodates all users, including pedestrians, bikes and vehicles as well as people with mobility issues, visual impairment etc.

    Driving at speed will be discouraged and all vehicles and bikes will be encouraged to move at walking pace, respecting others.

    To sum up, cyclists will be able to move through in both directions but not at any speed... [/i]"

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  15. kaputnik
    Moderator

    reclaim the street from vehicles for people

    I thought the original purpose of streets was for vehicles? It's not so much "reclaiming" as just "claiming"

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  16. LaidBack
    Member

    I missed out last bit of the quote...
    and respecting pedestrians and vehicles.

    I thought it might be unintentionally contentious(!)
    I want to support the idea of making the Causey a place you'd want to include going through.

    On this forum many (most?) think of bikes as vehicles. For others though we are pedestrians on wheels - or some weird sub set.

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  17. chdot
    Admin

    some weird sub set

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  18. kaputnik
    Moderator

    what's the name for the weird sub sets of the weird subset?

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  19. chdot
    Admin

    Normal(?)

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  20. chdot
    Admin

    Or just 'somewhere on the cyclistic (subset) spectrum.

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  21. LaidBack
    Member

    what's the name for the weird sub sets of the weird subset?
    Invisible cyclists?

    If we say
    and respecting pedestrians and other vehicles.
    then that's sorted?

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  22. steveo
    Member

    what's the name for the weird sub sets of the weird subset?
    Invisible cyclists?

    Recumbentalist
    recumbentist
    recumbentitioner

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  23. ruggtomcat
    Member

    bent

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  24. cc
    Member

    @kaputnik The original purpose of streets was for people to get about. The idea that they were there mainly for vehicles, and the relegation of mere people to "pavements" at the edges, came much later - only a century or so ago, when cars started to become common.

    There was a great article about this in one of the cycling blogs a month or two ago, about the considerable popular anger there was when people were forced off the streets and/or mown down by motorised maniacs. Sadly I can't find the link :-(

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  25. Morningsider
    Member

    cc - there are pavements running alongside some of the streets in Pompeii, which makes them at least 2000 years old. They certainly feature in Scottish urban areas far earlier than 100 years ago - e.g. I'm pretty sure they were a feature of New Town when it was built (begun 1765).

    Obviously, streets were far more 'communal property' before the advent of mass car ownership and people were far more likely to walk, play and even work on the road than they do now.

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  26. mgj
    Member

    If it is to be suitable for bikes, can they change the road surface from setts to one that doesnt require an FSR?

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  27. kaputnik
    Moderator

    If it is to be suitable for bikes, can they change the road surface from setts to one that doesnt require an FSR?

    Yes! It's time for cyclists to reclaim the streets from the tourists :)

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  28. Kim
    Member

  29. steveo
    Member

    I expect very similar conversations were had around keeping people out the way of speeding buggy carts, handsome cabs, coaches and rich folk on horses. Road conflict is nothing new i doubt.
    However I think I'd rather be hit by a modern car than a horse coach, at least cars are designed to push you up and over, a horse would trample you then the ton of coach would flatten you. Let's not pretend that these things were safer because they were slower, they also had no real stearing or effective brakes and a four horse coach can still get up to a lick of pace.

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  30. wingpig
    Member

    Once upon a time cars were required by law to give adequate warning if their approach.
    Standard Life's tallest-ever managing director was killed by an out-of-control horse on George Street. I expect a few of us here have had to take evasive action to avoid them on the WOL path when they've slipped the clutch or otherwise accelerated to a canter unexpectedly.

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