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Schools hols again so trainee jailbirds causing trouble

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  1. gembo
    Member

    I tend to avoid NEPN around the red bridge, either side during the school holidays

    Has always been a pass time of the youth, causing aggro out on the path.

    The youth workers seek to engage but some decline

    Shortly after going with the number one all over save for little quiff at front when I was 18-19 I was driven at by ranting fellow in a big car in a small lane in Ayr, where Fouter's Bistro used to be situated. Maybe Academy Lane IIRC. I had been a skinhead all of ten minutes and was, I think, heading from Tony's salon in River St to Ayr Baths.

    Was not a good haircut and I grew the quiff bit longer and that reduced the flak. Was called Billy Whizz for a while if anyone remembers that Beano or was it Dandy character? Due to the quiff looking like Billy's antennae. Then had a game of noughts and crosses etched in the back which again reduced the flak. Also early adopter of grooves which were all the rage a few years back.

    What laffs we had as children. Not funny to give cyclists grief (well it is to the lads down that way but not us).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. paddyirish
    Member

    "being inescapably labeled as a wee shite because of an accident of socio-economics... "

    More than 20 years after the event, I am still reminded by my English in-laws of when I taught them one of their first Celtic words - I often referred to Tony Blair as a "wee g0bsh1te".

    It needed no explanation and all were struck with the appropriateness of the term. Class was irrelevant...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. dougal
    Member

    There's some awfy naive people around here who believe that those neds couldn't possibly be the same people as live in the expensive houses.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Three teenagers were forced to run for their lives after a driver deliberately chased them in his car – on a pavement.

    The friends, who want to remain anonymous, were walking home from the city centre to Blackford around 4am on Sunday morning.

    As they made their way down Kilgraston Road, the women were passed by a silver car travelling beyond the speed limit.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/teens-ran-for-lives-as-car-chased-them-down-pavement-1-4411206

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. wingpig
    Member

    @gembo Did you ever get your hair cut in Prestwick?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. Ed1
    Member

    CEE members seem to be class proud however this may be a manifisectation of ego akin to driving a large automobile -), Middle class is often a case of being subsidised by discriminatory benefits rather than non-discriminatory benefits the lower class claim. For example JSA, Income support are non-discriminatory benefits any one can claim if meet the criteria. However to be middle class often a case of claiming more discriminatory benefits, different mechanism of claiming state subsidy.

    For example to put in a claim for a life time of state subsidy at say the council or government, university or NHS you may need to know the discriminatory criteria some inside information have connection in the know. Middle class is about knowing how to play the system to gain larger subsidies from the state. For all the noise now get on state tv about JSA , public sector pensions the unfunded ones, largely all but councils are pay as you go and each year cost the “poor hard worker tax payer -)” 10 times what JSA costs.

    Although the state direct subsidies, hand out direct transfer payments only cover part of the middle class. Many are more subtle such as legal professional were is state aid comes through the state aid, providing barriers to entry, and effectively privately collected tax and spend, through excessive charges. The extra money achieved through higher charges are akin a benefit claim.

    The government run the state collection of tax and spend, but also the private one set through controls. Although a minor source of re distribution the extra charge that government imposed on electricity bills than then government dictate is used to reduce some people bill is a tax and spend through regulation, effectively a private tax authority and benefit provider mandated through legislation is among the most transparent. The pension protection fund is another one at 5 billion a year legally mandated charge that is a government legally mandated transfer payment.

    The government mandated collection and spend don’t appear on the internationally comparable tax and spend, figures like PFI hide borrowing figures but using future liability. The quasi-government tax and spend figures hide government transfer payments .

    Many middle class are subsidies through similar in principle are more subtle type government mandated benefits, an obvious one being barriers to advocates society a transfer payment through legally mandated supply restrictions. I suppose the “ banking government back stop” is also a subsidies how many” bankers” many more investors, left to their own personal endeavours, would be bust. RBS bank of Scotland all pensions would all be muchly vanished if not for state support.

    The higher class may also be subject to subsidy many of the holders of wealth would also likewise be bust, the normal adjustment that would have occurred after what should have been a crash. The protection has created a group of wealthy of people who left to own devices would have had assets crash they gain wealth in mass through reckless behaviour and got to keep it after it crashed. The government support has created a legacy of inequality when left to own devices should have been effectively a reset that may occur every so often by preventing the re set now have record inequality.

    So also get people in Ferraris effectively on state aid; So the difference between a chav, a middle class and a upper may be in how well can game the system, how much subsidy can obtain.

    Through non-discriminatory direct gov benefits , middle class often direct discriminatory benefits gov benefits ( Scottish gov, university etc) and discriminatory benefits that are collected and distributed through legislation. Then the government subsidy on investment the back stop for the upper class.

    So to sum up a chav or ned is possibly someone that claims non-discriminatory benefits at a lower rate through not been able to game the system as well, whereas the typical CCE members is a more sophisticated benefit claimant -), hence the middle class badge akin to a hood ornament on a benz-)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Computing student Azad Adam is launching new technology workshops in Muirhouse in a bid to break the cycle of poverty and deprivation.

    And he believes by introducing new concepts, the cycle of crime and antisocial behaviour will eventually be broken.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/motorbike-thieves-urged-to-become-digital-pioneers-as-student-launches-new-workshop-1-4411321

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    "So to sum up a chav or ned is possibly someone that claims non-discriminatory benefits at a lower rate through not been able to game the system as well"

    So (a tiny proportion) take it out on people who choose to spend their money on bicycles?

    But that's understandable, and justifiable?

    (I suspect a fair number of the actual path blockers are still at school and not able claim anything - which is of course a different factor.)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    Of course the MC does know about systems -

    "

    It’s time to tell the truth and break down the locker door. The current mechanisms of Scottish film subsidy exist only to sustain a parasitic cohort of enablers and administrators. The sole output of hundreds of courses and academics, institutions, bodies, agencies is a few shorts and documentaries. It’s a middle-class job creation scheme of talkers, not doers, so mired in complacency and indolence the world has entirely passed them by.

    "

    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/04/03/hail-the-epic-fail/

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    @wingpig

    Never had a haircut in Prestwick. The barber there in my day was called Frank Skinner.

    Graeme Leggat that I was at school with might even still be running his hairdressing salon out by Prestwick Toll. He had enormous hair in 1983 and was in bands.

    I still owe you a pound. Forgot on Friday.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. barnton-to-town
    Member

    Having regular run-ins when the nights are lighter (or fireworks are available) leads me to generalise too much too wrt to groups of kids on the cycle path. Seeing them in the distance can fairly increase my heart rate.

    But I know I'm wrong to do so, and similar generalisation from joe public leading to calls to the police to disperse groups of kids at places such as Barnton shops, who are doing nothing wrong, does not a happy community member make.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    Of course it's nothing new, Spokes has been complaining about (trouble around) this bridge for years - long before this particular report -

    "

    Another reason for involving councillors is that the problems could be reduced if the footbridges were removed and converted into at-grade crossings, giving better visibility and removing the option of dropping objects from them. They are a redundant relic from when the path was a railway. Unfortunately removal would be costly, but if there are continuing serious attacks it should be considered. The Telford Drive to Easter Drylaw Drive bridge was in fact due to be removed as part of tram works – but this tramline section has of course now been postponed indefinitely.

    "

    http://www.spokes.org.uk/2010/09/railway-path-attacks/

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. Passed a policeman walking up the NEPN towards the Red Bridge around 4.45pm'ish today, obviously out in response to recent goings-on.

    Got a cheery 'How're you doing?' and a smile from him as I slowed to pass him and a dad'n'child.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    I suppose we should all try to tolerate others whose lifestyle choices or beliefs differ from our own. However, the wee needs on Macdonald Road did not afford the same courtesy to those they differ from. The most imaginative insult they could hurl at a handful of cyclists at the lights was "Hey! Youse are all f*****g poofters!" repeated in several variations until the lights changed...

    Perhaps they were in fact a gathering of youthful Top Gear enthusiasts swapping tips on which driving instructor is best VFM round Leith way?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. piosad
    Member

    The Scottish National Dictionary has this on the etymology of ned:

    Pet-form of Edward, with semantic development associated with colloq. Eng. teddy-boy, and poss. ned(dy), a donkey.

    (here)

    Agree with IWRATS et al. though.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. Rosie
    Member

    In the skool hols what we gain on the roads (which have been half empty) we lose on the paths (which are all too full).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. minus six
    Member

    @Ed1

    top post earlier today

    big up yerself rude boy

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    @bax, ed1, if interested in class as subsidy claiming, see also Boots Theory which shows how the rich spend less money than the poor. Basically the rich buy a good pair of boots for £100 ever ten years whereas the poor buy duff boots at twenty quid that last a year. So in Boots land the poor spend twice as much on boots over ten years.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. crowriver
    Member

    Oh I think we need to be clear on the difference between neds and NEETs. Though of course there may be some crossover between the two groups, they are not necessarily the same...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. gembo
    Member

    Some middle class Neds had placed a large tree branch over the WoL path in the long straight bit after Juni Green. I stopped and hurled it into the wild garlic. Twas a most middle class experience all round.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. crowriver
    Member

    According to Wik (with usual caveats)i:

    "The Oxford English Dictionary dates the term to the early 19th century. Former Chief Constable of Glasgow Sir Percy Sillitoe noted use of the word by gangs and police in the 1930s."

    "In his 2002 autobiography Granny Made me an Anarchist, the Glaswegian writer Stuart Christie described the Glasgow "Neds" as preceding the Teddy Boys of 1955, as a hangover from the poverty of the 1930s. These "Neds" had long hair parted in the middle and smoothed down with liquid paraffin, commonly with a "dowt" tucked behind their ear as a fire hazard which in urban legend had resulted in one "Ned" getting severe burns. He describes them as slouching along with their elbows projecting aggressively, wearing a white silk scarf tucked into their tightly buttoned jacket and carrying a cut-throat razor in its breast pocket. Over this, on outings for a fight or a dance, they allegedly wore an old tweed overcoat with weapons such as hatchets or hammers concealed in the lining. According to Christie, the "Teds" who followed them also had a reputation for wild behaviour, but were too concerned about their clothes to engage in aggression."

    Also: "A 2011 study using ethnography as a methodology of linguistic research found working-class adolescent males in a high school in the south side of Glasgow deploying a number of distinct social identities: as well as those identified as "neds" by themselves and others, pupils were grouped as "alternatives" (sometimes called "Goths" or "Moshers") who enjoyed rock music and wore black clothes, "sports" who enjoyed football and rugby and wore trainers and sports clothing, and "schoolies" who generally did not play sports but played musical instruments. Unlike other groups, the "neds" socialised in the street rather than being engaged in the school culture. "

    Finally: "In Dundee the Roma word gadgie (a non-Roma man) has been used historically; however, Ned has been introduced by popular culture. In all other parts of Scotland and parts of north east England (particularly Newcastle upon Tyne) gadgie retains its Roma meaning."

    "Other local terms are "schemies" in Edinburgh and "scallies" in Liverpool."

    (Have to say that "schemie" is definitely class and location based, whereas "ned" is more based on behaviour).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. gembo
    Member

    not heard gadgie being anything but man

    one deriviation of Chav comes from the romani word for child - Chavi (according to Wiki)

    Schemie very edinburgh

    also Radge which is also maybe Romani?

    Colleagues in Comm Ed as it then was produced a Comic called Bolt Ya Radge in early 1990s Muirhouse.

    we used to have Schemieradge posting on here.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    Radge again is more behaviour or attitude based.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/radge

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gadgie

    I do recall Schemieradge... :-)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  24. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    also Radge which is also maybe Romani?

    Yes. A radge is a sexually active male Romany. I had to look into the derivation once a long time ago, before the internut in an actual library.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  25. Ed1
    Member

    I recall explaining the origin of chav being thought to be from the romani word in another forum but sadly the intellect and education level in the privileged based state organization refuted this claiming the said backronym as the origin

    Posted 7 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    Oh aye. Dunno if anyone else has seen this, very Glesca but quite a good film really. Note the backronym usage in the trailer though: tut-tut.

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  27. himupstairs
    Member

    is 'rocket' acceptable?

    In any case, the police and fire brigade were in attendance on the path between craigleith and silverknowes this evening. Burnt out presumably stolen motorbike and quite a big fire in the bushes.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. Klaxon
    Member

    Happy to report

    Very nice around the Telford and Ferry Rd paths tonight

    Lots of smiley cyclists and no path gremlins

    edit: Just read the report from himupstairs LOL

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. Arellcat
    Moderator

    "Other local terms are "schemies" in Edinburgh and "scallies" in Liverpool."

    Chester has "scallies" as well, perhaps given the relative proximity of the townships.

    "Treg" (as in "Mr Smith, yer a treg!" was a popular and inexplicably mild-sounding epithet when I was at secondary school. I never heard it used before or since. Most of the practitioners were referred to disparagingly by the middle class contingent as "scaffs" (who no doubt all took great pleasure in doing "shan" stuff to others).

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. Rosie
    Member

    "Hoons" is the New Zealand expression. There they tear about in cars.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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