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"A bill banning parking on pavements has been introduced to SP"

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  1. acsimpson
    Member

    @Klaxon,
    I put in my response that the councils shouldn't be allowed to create exceptions highlighting that if they believed the pavement to be wider than required they should instead be doing the necessary work to narrow the pavement. Although presumably as they haven't been able to find space for segregated cycle lanes they don't consider pavements too narrow.

    @crowriver,
    The only reference I can find in bill for accidents ishe pavement parking section.
    "39. Parking includes waiting except in the case of (i) waiting to avoid obstructing the passage
    of a vehicle which is being used for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes or (ii) where the
    driver of a vehicle parks or waits as a result of circumstances beyond the driver‘s control or
    where it is necessary for the driver to stop to avoid an accident."

    So the exception only includes waiting rather than parking and then I would like to think it means avoiding an actual rather than abstract accident. There is certainly no mention of avoiding causing an accident.

    This exception is worded slightly differently in the double and dropped kerb sections in that it bans waiting but not stopping for boarding and alighting in these locations (no explicit mention of loading).

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. wishicouldgofaster
    Member

    I can see the argument for dropping people off, especially old folk. Currently my Dad, who is 84 has dementia and walking difficulties gets dropped off at his house by an old folks club. The driver plonks the minibus slightly on the pavement and a carer escorts him up the stairs and into his flat. Time stopped 5 mins.

    I think though they clearly have to indicate time-scales or folk will abuse it.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. wingpig
    Member

    How about half the penalty upon first sighting/recording of the offence, uprated to the full fine if they're still there after their five minutes are used up?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. acsimpson
    Member

    The proposed wording is quite clear that "Parking includes waiting"

    As the driver is waiting for the carer to return it would be explicitly banned by the proposed legislation. The driver should drop your dad and carer outside his house (with no wheels on the pavement) and then proceed to a nearby parking space to wait for the carer to return.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. neddie
    Member

    Reminder: The closing date for receipt of submissions is 5pm on Friday 6 November 2015

    The Scottish Parliament’s Local Government and Regeneration Committee has launched a call for written evidence from all interested parties as part of its Stage 1 consideration of the Footway Parking and Double Parking (Scotland) Bill.

    Organisations and individuals are invited to submit written evidence to the Committee setting out their views on the provisions of the Bill. Those submitting evidence should feel free to address any, or all, of the policy issues contained in the Bill.

    How to submit your evidence
    lgr.committee@scottish.parliament.uk
    Alternatively, hard copy responses can be sent to the Clerk to the Local Government and Regeneration Committee, Committee Office, Scottish Parliament, Edinburgh, EH99 1SP

    From:
    http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/CurrentCommittees/91536.aspx

    Looking at the current submissions, there isn't much 'balance' from cyclists... A certain Sheila Bawar even uses her submission as a rant about pavement cyclists.

    Would be good if as many of 'us' as possible could make a submission, to better support the bill.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. acsimpson
    Member

    I responded to the survey rather than submitting "written evidence". I hope that's what most of "us" did, hence the lack of cyclists in the list.

    I notice the British Parking Association have made a submission and took a peek expecting some sort of Neil Greig level of logic but was pleasantly surprised to see that they are fully supportive of the bill.

    I like Sheila Bawar's final paragraph, although I'm not sure forcing people to use park and ride to get home would go down very well:

    May I say, Nottingham, the city where I live, has virtually eradicated parking issues in the city area by making so much of the city prohibited to private vehicles. They have created several “park and ride” areas, around the city boundary, where car users can combine parking cost with either bus or tram travel into the inner city area. I am not
    sure it went down well at first, but people appear to have accepted and adjusted to the situation. The park and ride package is at a reduced rate. Disabled/blue badge
    owners still have specified parking bays in the city area, and private hire cars are able to access most parts of the city.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Ms Bawar's issue with pavement cycling makes sense to me.

    I have a good friend in Nottingham and visit him regularly. Pavement cycling does seem very prevalent down there!

    TBF to the city's pavement cyclists, speed cameras are everywhere in and around the city centre. Driving standards and road layouts are as bad as any city I've witnessed. Maybe I'd be tempted to cycle on the pavements there too.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. newtoit
    Member

    @Bikeability - sounds similar to Leicester then. The place is heralded as being cycle friendly but is full of shared use, which people get confused by and does lead to a lot of pavement cycling (sorry if I'm sounding a bit like Apollo21 on EEN!!). One thing they do well is contraflow lanes on one way streets though.

    Responded to this through the survey.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. newtoit
    Member

    Also the Police Scotland response comes across quite well - basically saying that if you expect us to enforce it, please stop it being so woolly for heaven's sake. Suggesting that double parking should only be allowed for emergency utility works is a good move - just need to bring in some compulsion to provide for us on bikes when doing so!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Are the great pavement parking rows finally coming to an end?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34988833

    Not the Scottish Bill, but reference to similar legislation being brought forward for England (and I assume Wales)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. twq
    Member

    Debate ongoing - some good points being made.
    http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/e884692c-e5e5-4664-ae27-dba04f8bad1d

    Posted 8 years ago #

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