A good article concerning this development...
http://innertubemap.com/blog/post/589
Please write to object to the planning application, if you agree we could have a much better 'missing cycle link' built here.
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Granton Harbour masterplan casts doubt on cycle route extension
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Posted 12 years ago #
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Done!
Posted 12 years ago # -
It's frustrating down there because the developments that DID go in have got shared use paths and cycle signs and everything, then big barriers shutting off roads that abruptly end - you can see exactly where the cycle path was going to go, and how much nicer it is than the road there, and can't help but think.... Plllllleeeeeease, just finish it! (which this gives us an opportunity to actually say!)
Posted 12 years ago # -
Done also. Forth Ports should not be allowed to get away with plonking a big section of cheap, sub-standard cycle "infrastructure" in order to maximise their own gains out of this land.
I noted the fact that they are planning 8 roads intersecting the E-W cycle "route", in a matter of a few hundred metres and all that stop-start with priority to motor vehicles is not conducive to the sort of infrastructure we should expect from a development straddling a key cycle (and walking) corridor.
Posted 12 years ago # -
Wouldn't it be awesome if they gave bikes and pedestrians priority at all those junctions? It would slow the cars right down, and make it much more enjoyable environment to live in. /<Dream>
Posted 12 years ago # -
That link goes to an article about pictures of flowers?
Posted 12 years ago # -
@fimm. how odd. i will tweet them and see if they've taken it down. here is info from spokes:
C. PLANNING ISSUE 1: GRANTON HARBOUR [by 3 May]
Plans by Forth Ports for 1700 homes, a hotel, businesses, etc say they cater for cycle use, but in reality seem set to be a disaster, including sections of shared-use pavement and with stops at side roads every 100m or so! The opportunity to properly link up an east-west coastal route is also being squandered. The cycling issues are well covered in articles by the Innertube Map and by Greener Leith...
http://innertubemap.com/blog/post/589
http://greenerleith.org.uk/blog/revised-granton-masterplan-learns-little-from-western-harbour-2559Please submit your own comments to the council - the above articles include a link to the Council Planning Portal where you can comment [a simple registration is also needed].
Posted 12 years ago # -
Unfortunately much of what is already there is a bit rubbish.
No dropped kerb by ccbb7766, on FlickrPosted 12 years ago # -
have you sent that to the Guardian infra thing?
do we need a 'dropped kerb' patrol?
Posted 12 years ago # -
do we need a 'dropped kerb' patrol?
I rather suspect we need an 'everything, everywhere, in Edinburgh' patrol. I someone in a wheelchair yesterday nearly have an accident at a ped crossing whose kerb was "lowered" in the loosest possible sense.
Posted 12 years ago # -
Here's an updated link:
(the previous link was not permanent)
Posted 12 years ago # -
Thank you.
Posted 12 years ago # -
I'm pretty sure this relates to cb's undropped kerb above:
Blocked Pavement @BlockedPavement
Edinburgh Council persuaded to ask developer to put in dropped kerb having initially said they couldn't check it until road adoptedWell done Edinburgh council!
Posted 12 years ago # -
Dear Sir/Madam,
TOWN & COUNTRY PLANNING (SCOTLAND) ACT 1997
Application to discharge matters specified in condition 2 of outline planning permission 01/00802/OUT : variation of the matters approved by application 06/03636/REM, being the siting and height of development; design and configuration of public and open spaces; access, road layouts; footpaths and cycle routes; existing and finished ground levels in relation to ordnance datum. at 65 West Harbour Road, Edinburgh, EH5 1PW
REFERENCE NUMBER: 13/01013/AMC (SCHEME: )
CASE OFFICER: Kevin Ryan PHONE NUMBER: 0131 529 3721.Notification of representators: Submission of revised proposals
Thank you for submitting comments on the above proposal. A revised scheme has been submitted.
If you wish to make any further comments on the revised proposals, please submit them within 21 days from the date of this letter.
Further comments can either be emailed to me at kevin.ryan@edinburgh.gov.uk or sent to the address below. Alternatively you can make an online comment on the Planning and Building Standards Portal using the link below.
You can inspect the revised plans, and any other documents submitted, at the Planning and Building Standards Enquiry counter, Waverley Court, 4 East Market Street, Edinburgh EH8 8BG. This is open from:
8.30 - 5.00 Monday to Thursday
8.30 - 3.40 FridayThey can also be viewed online at http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/planning
Yours faithfully
Kevin Ryan
Case OfficerPosted 12 years ago # -
^^^ Summary of above:
Revised proposals have been submitted - you have 21 days to object...
I haven't yet checked to see if the new plans are any better for cycling
Posted 12 years ago # -
In a word...
No difference. Think I will submit this diagram when I re-object.
Posted 12 years ago # -
@kaputnik that map is private on Flikr so I can't see the whole thing...
Posted 12 years ago # -
If you right click you can "view image" on the whole screen.
Posted 12 years ago # -
The plan discussed above has now been withdrawn.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Oh good. I got an email when I was on holiday saying that they (planning) had recommended to councillors that it be declined. From my reading of the note, one of the reasons cited was inadequacy of the street layout for cycling.
Posted 11 years ago # -
APPROVAL OF MATTERS SPECIFIED IN CONDITION 2 OF OUTLINE APPLICATION 01/00802/OUT COVERING SITING AND HEIGHT OF DEVELOPMENT, DESIGN AND CONFIGURATION OF PUBLIC AND OPEN SPACES, ACCESS, ROAD LAYOUTS, FOOTPATHS AND CYCLE ROUTES. at 65 WEST HARBOUR ROAD EDINBURGH EH5 1PW
REFERENCE NUMBER: 13/04320/AMC (SCHEME: )
The City of Edinburgh Council has determined the application as follows:
Decision: APPROVED
Conditions:-
6. The proposed 4 metre wide cycle track for shared cycle/pedestrian use on West Harbour Road/Lower Granton Road shall be designed to give priority to the cyclists and pedestrians using this facility over the side road traffic. It shall also allow for suitable connections to the promenade at the east and west of the site. The detailed design shall be first submitted to and agreed in writing by the Head of Plannning and Building Standards
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Note: I've only copied condition 6 to keep the post short. Good result, but the devil is in the detail...Posted 11 years ago # -
So that's good, right? I didn't give a stuff about the development itself, after all why not build houses on industrial brownfield sites as they are clearly needed. I just strongly objected to the unnecessary perforation of a key cycling route to give far more vehicular access than is required to the development.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Latest application 14/05305/AMC approved.
Conditions 6 & 7:
6. Details of a suitable Waterfront cycle/ pedestrian route shall be submitted to and approved by the Head of Planning and Transport and shall give priority to the cyclists and pedestrians using this facility over side road traffic. The details shall include details of the connections to the promenade at the east and west sides of the site. The approved route shall be implemented as agreed by the Head of Planning and Transport.
7. The detailed design of a 5 metre wide cycle track for shared cycle/pedestrian use on West Harbour Road/Lower Granton Road shall be submitted to and agreed in writing by the Head of Planning and Transport. It shall be designed to give priority to the cyclists and pedestrians using this facility over the side road traffic. It shall also allow for suitable connections to the promenade at the east and west of the site.
So the cycle track is now 5 metres wide, with priority - good news
Posted 8 years ago # -
Note that, according to the master plan drawings, the development will be in three phases:
Phase 1 is the 'marina' area in the north and associated facilities (Retail? Housing?). Years 1-5.
Phase 2 is the belt south of that, clearly mostly housing. Years 5-10.
Phase 3 is the belt south of Phase 2, adjoining Granton Road etc. Years 10-15.
So, we might get a path along the waterfront to the 'marina' as part of Phase 1, i.e.. in the next five years. Or we might not, it's unclear.
Unlikely to get the 5 metre path along Granton Road etc. for another ten to fifteen years, unless it's a case of building roads and pavement access first, housing later. Latter seems a bit unlikely...
So I can look forward to cycling this last path in my retirement then. :-)
Posted 8 years ago #
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