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Left Hook, swearing and resolution

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  • Started 11 years ago by bdellar
  • Latest reply from Instography

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  1. bdellar
    Member

    I was cycling up Fishwive's Causeway from Porty High Street this morning, heading for the crossing over the Harry Lauder Road. I try and avoid this route normally, because what often happens is what happened this morning. A car behind me wants to turn left at the first roundabout, so they accelerate, just make it past me or alongside me, slam the brakes on, and turn left without indicating. I would normally go straight over the roundabout.

    This morning's one caught me a bit by surprise, and I came pretty close to going under the car. I slammed the brakes on and shouted/screamed at the car, as it drove off. I paused for breath, then went to see if they'd stopped in the industrial estate there. They had, and the driver was just getting out.

    I was shook up, scared and angry, so I probably didn't come over as politely and civilly as I meant to. She was, I suspect, a bit guilty and defensive, and caught off guard, so the conversation did not go well. She insisted she'd seen me (which I didn't doubt) and that she'd left me plenty of room (which I did doubt). She apparently assumed I'd turn left as well, because the road straight ahead is a dead end (it is for cars, not for bikes).

    She brought up the fact that lots of cyclists ride dangerously on pavements when I accused her of driving dangerously. That didn't really help me calm down.

    I said she'd knowingly nearly run me over, and she called me a f*ck*ng arsehole.

    At that point I got my phone out and started videoing, and I think that helped to calm things down.

    She explained that she had genuinely thought she had space to get safely past me, and was very sorry if she'd scared me. I accepted her apology, and apologised for the bad way the conversation had started.

    And then I carried on with my journey to work.

    So, what do I take from this? That left hooks are scary, and that bad road design puts cars in a position where they're forced to choose between overtaking a slower road user, and maybe cutting them up if they mis-time it, or hanging back and waiting. I've been there in a car myself, and I understand the decision that needs to be made.

    A fun start to the day.

    See you all on Sunday at POP!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    this is why i wish there was a 'i'm going straight on' signal :(

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. Coxy
    Member

    I'm not that keen on that roundabout either. I keep the primary line on that one.

    Worse, I think, is the junction and gateway at Telferton further up. Drivers assume they have right of way, even though cyclists are going straight on to the shared path. They either pull out through the give way lines into the estate, or pull out of the estate gates without giving way. If there something coming, I always get ready to stop. Normally they're trucks too.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. Blueth
    Member

    There is actually an "I intend to go straight on" signal but it's meant to inform those to the front rather than behind and would probably not be recognised by anyone anyway.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. Coxy
    Member

    That was for the friendly neighbourhood bobby directing traffic, wasn't it?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. Min
    Member

    So, what do I take from this? That left hooks are scary, and that bad road design puts cars in a position where they're forced to choose between overtaking a slower road user, and maybe cutting them up if they mis-time it, or hanging back and waiting.

    What is the problem with hanging back and waiting?

    The thing I always take from these events is that it is fine for a driver to almost kill you but it is never fine for you to get angry about it.

    They have a fundamental and absolute right to get to where they are going 0.2 sec faster and you have no right to life.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. neddie
    Member

    this is why i wish there was a 'i'm going straight on' signal

    Simply indicate that you're going to turn right, even if you are going straight on. That should discourage overtaking, but may encourage undertaking, depending on the situation...

    [Edit] Of course, taking one hand off the handlebars sometimes doesn't help in these situations, esp. if the road surface is poor.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. PS
    Member

    Deploying the "long hard look over the right shoulder" might work in place of a "going straight-on" signal?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. Min
    Member

    Why on earth should we have to signal if we are going straight on? It is totally ridiculous. Drivers have no right to mow someone down just to turn left. Is turning left over a cyclist who is also turning left any less dangerous? No.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. Bruce
    Member

    I approach all roundabouts as if I am in a car.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. AKen
    Member

    I do the same. I even make the noises.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. Focus
    Member

    "I approach all roundabouts as if I am in a car. "

    You mean too fast and probably in the wrong lane? ;-)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. 559
    Member

    Agree absolutely totally that we shouldn't have to signal for going straight on, but if its a choice between some sort of signal and becoming embedded in a vehicle !

    When heading east on Dundee Street, at the Approach road slip, I always do a kind of half right signal and look round, so far it has worked, when I remember.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. Instography
    Member

    If it's common for most cars to turn left then I'd be in the right turn position to go straight on.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. Dave
    Member

    Simply indicate that you're going to turn right, even if you are going straight on. That should discourage overtaking, but may encourage undertaking, depending on the situation...

    This would be my advice too. People are inherently less likely to overtake something indicating right, regardless of its road position (but especially if it's not in the gutter).

    It's irrelevant whether you turn right or not. The worst that will happen is someone's nose will be put out of joint because they failed to cut you up when they had the chance.

    I often use deceptive signals to get my own way, for instance signalling right when the road narrows on the QBC at the pinch point just north of Summerhall.

    Ultimately I figure a safety signal that prevents an extremely expensive (and possibly injurious) crash is worth making, even if it's not actually the correct signal.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. gembo
    Member

    @559 I also indicate I am turning right at the WAP junction. A very badly laid out junction where turning left onto the WAP is like going straight on and going straight on is like turning right. Shoulder check, indicate turning right, adopt primary for turning right and continue on, usually works.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. Instography
    Member

    I sometimes use a variation of the right turn signal with my arm low, palm towards the driver. More of a "stay where you are. I can see something you can't" signal than a right turn.

    Posted 11 years ago #

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