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  1. crowriver
    Member

    "I don't really see I was in the wrong. If I had been in a bad accident I would have stopped."

    This is highly relevant. She still thinks she was in the right! No remorse, despite her 'apology'.

    Mr Hockley declined to comment on Miss Way's interview but is due to speak to BBC Look East later.

    Should be interesting. This one will run and run.

    I do hope there are going to be some charges arising out of this:
    - Driving without due care and attention/reckless/dangerous driving
    - Failure to stop at the scene of a collision
    (All aggravated by lack of care around vulnerable road users and boasting about the offence in public afterwards).

    Posted 12 years ago #

  2. Focus
    Member

    Thanks for the correction Wilmington's Cow, I'm so annoyed about the whole solicitor thing, I got them mixed up. Still, almost as bad as each other! LOL

    Posted 12 years ago #

  3. Focus
    Member

    @ crowriver

    "I do hope there are going to be some charges arising out of this:"

    And likewise, if it were proven the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road. Then both should be in (the appropriate proportion of) trouble. Just to be even-handed in the face of conflicting stories.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  4. Coxy
    Member

    Canthey charge regarding the other tweets she made? While driving and over the speed limit?

    Posted 12 years ago #

  5. crowriver
    Member

    @Focus, maybe you missed this bit:

    We've spoken to Toby Hockley, the rider involved in the collision, to get a bit of background on the incident. He's pretty sure it was him, anyway. "The police said it was me", he told us, and the time and location fit the bill.

    "I was riding on a country B-road with a friend, and descending a hill on a blind right hand corner", Toby told us. "I was sticking to the left as the corner was blind. A car came round in the opposite direction going much too quickly to make the corner safely. It missed the rider in front of me but hit me, my right leg caught the front right wing. I was thrown up onto the bonnet, I hit the side of windsrceen and the wing mirror. I bounced back off the car and went through a hedge for about 20 metres. I managed to keep control of the bike; the back brake had locked on but I managed to rejoin the road and stop in the middle of it"

    http://road.cc/content/news/84212-norwich-police-seek-driver-who-tweeted-about-collision-cyclist

    Also a great statement from the cyclist for BBC News here (try the video link):

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22602141

    Posted 12 years ago #

  6. Min
    Member

    @ Min Or suspended, even. Mind you a pretty appropriate typo under the circumstances ;-)

    Oops, hehe!

    Anyway, so we are now supposed not believe the statement that she knocked a cyclist off his bike but believe the statement that she didn't.

    And not only that, but that a cyclist rode to the wrong side of the road and smashed her wing mirror and she wasn't even angry about it. Not even a little bit.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  7. Focus
    Member

    @ crowriver

    Didn't miss it at all. I know which story I'm inclined to believe but just because the cyclist says that's how things happened doesn't automatically mean his story is the full truth. Both sides agree there was contact, I'm purely talking about who was on the wrong side of the road. Right now we have two conflicting stories and neither has been proven.

    I certainly want it to be the driver who is fully responsible for the collision because a) she has done nothing to deserve sympathy and b) I'd love that the cyclist has done nothing to give cycling a bad name.

    It would certainly make a prime test case for strict liability!

    Posted 12 years ago #

  8. spytfyre
    Member

    "It's quite horrendous, the thoughts people have of me when they don't know me."
    You said it in public
    You showed your thoughts of "bloodycyclists" first when you don't know them/us

    "I am not against cyclists at all."
    Not what your tweet said in public (see above)

    #angryenoughtoactuallypost
    #youthrewthefirststone
    #youliveinaglasshouse

    Posted 12 years ago #

  9. kaputnik
    Moderator

    To summarise.

    "I'm not sorry I knocked a cyclist off their bike. I'm sorry I got caught through my own stupidity"

    Posted 12 years ago #

  10. SRD
    Moderator

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    Posted 12 years ago #

  11. chdot
    Admin

    http://news.sky.com/story/1095095/bercows-mcalpine-tweet-libellous-rules-court

    Posted 12 years ago #

  12. spytfyre
    Member

    http://www.readability.com/articles/aajfduuh
    sweary word warning #nsfw

    Posted 12 years ago #

  13. le_soigneur
    Member

    Here is the 95mph taking-a-photo-while-speeding tweet:
    @MrsPolocini: you might like this photo from her twitter feed pic.twitter.com/jNzfyoPCox"
    "@@antemery: according to her Facebook she almost killed an elderly patient too "

    Posted 12 years ago #

  14. Coxy
    Member

    New jersey

    Posted 12 years ago #

  15. chdot
    Admin

    http://road.cc/content/news/88377-emma-way-bloodycyclists-case-heads-court-after-charges-pressed

    Posted 12 years ago #

  16. EddieD
    Member

    Sweet!

    Also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-23324422

    Posted 12 years ago #

  17. chdot
    Admin

    It's official -

    http://www.norfolk.police.uk/newsandevents/newsstories/2013/july/femaledriverfacescourt.aspx

    Posted 12 years ago #

  18. gembo
    Member

    The driver Miss Emma Way, 21, is training to be an accountant, I am not sure if I had accounts I needed accounted I would ask her to do them?

    Miss Way's post on Twitter read: "Definitely knocked a cyclist off his bike earlier. I have right of way - he doesn't even pay road tax!"

    The comment included the hashtag #Bloodycyclists.

    It was retweeted several hundred times and led to what a tearful Miss Way described as the public "judging me on one man's side of the story".

    Surely she was being judged on her own account of the story? She tweeted her confession to the world.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  19. Calum
    Member

    I bet the little chav doesn't feel so brave now!

    Posted 12 years ago #

  20. DaveC
    Member

    Are trainee accountants chavs!?!? No hope for me then....

    Hope she gets whats due. Silly person.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  21. kaputnik
    Moderator

    After my earlier salad-dressing-all-over-the-inside-of-the-pannier moment, this has brightened my day :)

    Posted 12 years ago #

  22. Charterhall
    Member

    Sweet indeed, until she appears in court and they let her off.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  23. crowriver
    Member

    For reference in case of an unduly lenient decision by the court:

    The offence of driving without due care and attention (careless driving) under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is committed when the defendants driving falls below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver - section 3ZA(2) of the RTA 1988.

    The maximum penalty is a level 5 fine. The court must also either endorse the drivers licence with between 3 and 9 penalty points (unless there are "special reasons" not to do so), or impose disqualification for a fixed period and/or until a driving test has been passed.

    http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_prosecuting_cases_of_bad_driving/#a30

    Road Traffic Act 1988, s.170(4) Fail to stop/report road accident

    Triable only summarily:
    Maximum: Level 5 fine and/or 6 months*
    Must endorse and may disqualify. If no disqualification, impose 5 – 10 points

    Offence seriousness (culpability and harm)
    A. Identify the appropriate starting point
    Starting points based on first time offender pleading not guilty

    Moderate damage/injury or failed to stop and failed to report
    Band C fine Band C fine
    7 – 8 points
    Consider disqualification

    Offence seriousness (culpability and harm)
    B. Consider the effect of aggravating and mitigating factors (other than those within examples above)
    Common aggravating and mitigating factors are identified in the pullout card –
    the following may be particularly relevant but these lists are not exhaustive

    Factors indicating higher culpability
    1. Evidence of drink or drugs/evasion of test
    2. Knowledge/suspicion that personal injury caused
    (where not an element of the offence)
    3. Leaving injured party at scene
    4. Giving false details

    Factors indicating lower culpability
    1. Believed identity known
    2. Genuine fear of retribution
    3. Subsequently reported

    http://www.motoroffence.co.uk/uploads/files/pdf/failing-to-stop-or-report-accident-penalty-pdf.pdf

    * - that's 6 months in custody, not a 6 month disqualification.

    So, it seems to me that she may be facing a fine, a minimum of 10 points on the licence, and/or disqualification.

    Posted 12 years ago #

  24. chdot
    Admin

    Another one!!!

    "
    scotbot (@scotbot)
    03/08/2013 12:44
    @daisymerollinnn In legal terms, your tweets in this screengrab are tantamount to a confession.

    http://pic.twitter.com/bXkfRAWbGy

    "

    Posted 11 years ago #

  25. custard
    Member

    I she she has protected her account now
    who do we tweet the pic to?

    Posted 11 years ago #

  26. chdot
    Admin

    Seems to be all under control -

    'Police aware'.

    Posted 11 years ago #

  27. custard
    Member

    I see she uses the same username around ;)

    Posted 11 years ago #

  28. SRD
    Moderator

    Not guilty of driving without due care and attention.

    Guilty of not stopping and reporting.

    7 points. + fines and costs £667

    Posted 11 years ago #

  29. Min
    Member

    My prediction at the time came true:-

    I hope that charges will be pressed anyway but I expect she will get to drive off with a wee slap on the wrist.

    But we all knew that.

    Posted 11 years ago #

  30. steveo
    Member

    Could be worse...

    Posted 11 years ago #

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