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Women's cycle races

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  1. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    fimm: "I would have thought that the men would simply leave the women behind"

    Maybe. I rode in the 2005 George Pennel Memorial APR. This was a race with six or seven groups setting off at two minute intervals on a 50 mile course. It was open to all including women and elite riders. I was in the third group which had two female riders. They kept up but sat in - didn't take a turn at the front.

    It would have been hard to tell from watching at the side of the road but from Talla Linnfoots when most of the field came together ERC slowed the pace to allow an ERC break to get away. That they were away was of course not known to the elite riders who caught us on Talla. They pressed on hard but presumably thought they were at the front as they never caught the break.

    I'm not sure what's wrong with Strava. Lots of big names from the local clubs feature.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. Minerva
    Member

    Cyclingmollie: - nothings changed then! That's how a lot of local races here pan out. ERC are just so big compared to other clubs. My favourite type of race is when you are having a really good day and you sit near the front or midpack all day, waiting and knowing there will be a breakaway at some point, and you get on it. I'm a power type rider and that's the sort of tactics that suits me best.

    Fimm - I never had the need to pee during the cycle stage of the Ironman but I did (apologies for TMI) produce a poo during the run (there were temporary toilets on the route), which I think was quite an achievement for a body under stress. I didn't see anyone else stopping to pee during the cycle either, but I wasn't looking for it - the race was at the forefront of my mind, funnily enough!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. Charterhall
    Member

    I don't believe you guys. We're talking about women's participation in the Tour de France and you are basing your arguments on the George Pennel APR, the ERC chaingang and, heaven help us, Strava. What planet do you live on ?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. Earth.

    Still dismissive without actually explaining. Why can't the various levels be scaled up? (and we're not really talking about women's participation in the Tour de France, the actual suggestion by the petition and so on is that there is a parallel women's race, possibly run at the same time, but not actually competing against the blokes - though obviously there's clearly the scope to debate whether it shoudl actually be a case of men and women all competing together).

    I'd imagine in most sporting instances it could be scaled up. So at a local athletics meet, for example, the men will run the 1500m faster than the women, and at the elite level I'd wager the percentage difference is similar. So why wouldn't that be the case for cycling?

    I don't think anyone is suggesting the women would come into the race and start winning everything in front of the men - by my own rationale above I don't believe that would be the case, but by the same rationale I don't think the gap would actually be as big as people imagine, and if you factor in the tactical nature of cycling, with large periods on flat roads with the peloton merely cruising along, no-one actually at the limit, I think you'd probably find that the elite women of cycling would quite happily and easily remain within the peloton.

    Mountains might prove more difficult, though I do wonder if the physiology of a smaller, slighter frame might help bridge at least some of the gap.

    What we also might find is that with male and female mixed competitors women start closing the gap because they're getting the same funding and training and opportunities. That's entirely hypothetical of course, but I think there's some merit in the suggestion.

    p.s. neither female, nor lived in the Netherlands either - not sure if that changes any opinions...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. Baldcyclist
    Member

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/23422209

    Women's Tour seems to be gaining some momentum...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. Minerva
    Member

    Charterhall: "I don't believe you guys. We're talking about women's participation in the Tour de France and you are basing your arguments on the George Pennel APR, the ERC chaingang and, heaven help us, Strava. What planet do you live on ?"

    To be fair, the comments you criticise are about things that actually happen, not somewhat whimsical "notions" about terrible things that might happen, some day, but actually haven't. And where do you think those Tour De France riders start out? Their local road races and cycling clubs, or do they all come from a Columbian mountainside? Read the palmares of the top riders, and you will find out that many of them are still members of their local cycling clubs. Quintana's one is now named after him!

    Its not just The Netherlands I've lived in (again, surprised this is such a note of contention/offence on here)- there is a whole world out there and not everywhere and everyone thinks in the same way. i.e. that all women are, deep down, duifjes.

    Wilmington's Cow: I doubt gaps between male and female performance will close that much due to biological differences (although you do get some very large powerful women and some small, weak men). But denying women the chance to participate in the same events is now outdated, and its time cycling caught up.

    That said, its becoming more frequent that women are winning mixed 10ks overall, or placing in the top 3 in my local races. This is probably an anomaly though, as standards (based on times) and participation in men's competitive running has declined in the past 20 years, while women's running has seen the opposite effect.

    I'm not exactly sure what people are arguing against here. Do you seriously think cycling should not go forwards with female participation and that there is some inherent danger in doing so? Can you see those arguments actually being taken seriously in the future? Some of those comments about women lacking power to make attacks, women's races being boring to watch and women being subjected to the terrible forces of headwinds were some of the most amusing and archaic I've ever read!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. Roibeard
    Member

    duifjes = pigeons? I suspect Google Translate has let me down there!

    Robert

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. wingpig
    Member

    Perhaps people still exhibiting the sorts of attitude which led to pronounced human sexual dimorphism in the first place could start organising bicycle races using orang-utans or elephant seals, where the size/strength disparity between females and males is much greater.

    "Can you see those arguments actually being taken seriously in the future?"

    Depressingly, yes, as even people my own age and younger are still displaying signs of having been imprinted with outdated thoughts and policies during their upbringing, even when such things were seen as embarrassingly old-fangled decades ago. Hopefully the only people who still take them seriously in the future will be in a minority, and not in positions of influence.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Brian Cookson to bring together Tour de France organisers and top female riders

    UCI presidential contender aims to raise status of women's cycling

    "

    http://road.cc/content/news/89333-brian-cookson-bring-together-tour-de-france-organisers-and-top-female-riders

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. Charterhall
    Member

    Prudhomme dismisses calls for a parallel women's Tour de France

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/prudhomme-dismisses-calls-for-a-parallel-womens-tour-de-france

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Some of the world's best cyclists will take to the roads of London this weekend for the inaugural RideLondon.
    But a leading female cyclist has been critical of the organisers' decision to host an elite men's road race but not an equivalent for women.

    "It doesn't fulfil the Olympic legacy," said Britain's Helen Wyman, the European cyclo-cross champion.

    "
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/23513969

    Posted 11 years ago #

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