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Is dualling the A9 really that bad?

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  • Started 11 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. chdot
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    “I would put that down to a symptom of the increased lawlessness we have witnessed on the roads post covid.”

    Think ‘we’ all have personal/anecdotal evidence of this.

    Don’t know how much the lockdown period accelerated a previous trend or whether it’s an extra scale of lawlessness.

    Also the various Leith Walk side road fiasco may skew the figures or highlight a general increase.

    “Rather than trying to solve this on the A9 we need to increase policing of road crimes. Making it expensive and inconvenient to speed, use your mobile phone or commit any of the other crimes which OLA drivers seem so fond of.“

    Too sensible.

    And obviously a war on, still living, motorists.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. acsimpson
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    Point speed camera's don't alter behaviour though. At least other than making people stamp on the brakes. They also don't ensure safe speeds for the conditions.

    We need speed enforcement across the network not just at a few spots after people have already been killed by drivers.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. neddie
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    I reckon if they hadn't chickened-out on putting average speed cameras along the dual-carriageway sections, there would be a lot less "racing to the end at 90mph" and probably fewer fatalilites.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. fimm
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    acsimpson, just to remind you that the speed cameras on the A9 are average speed, not point ones. IIRC there was a significant fall off in accidents when they were initially introduced.

    Neddie makes a good point.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. acsimpson
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    Thanks @fimm, I was responding to toomanybike's suggestion of adding point camera's to the transitions. I think you are correct. Adding the average speed camera's essentially stopped all fatalities on the road thereby negating the already very week case for dualing.

    I agree though that average speed camera's certainly make a difference and would be delighted to see them used more widely. However they are still highly visible deterrents so don't have any wider benefit of altering driver behaviour.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. chdot
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    “I urge the government not only to rediscover the impetus to upgrade the A9 but to do so at an increased pace to try and stop any further unnecessary deaths.”

    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/5305696/exclusive-frightened-motorists-flood-snp-with-a9-and-a96-safety-concerns/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. chdot
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  10. chdot
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    A9 Perth-Inverness dualling could take till 2050 – construction industry

    The SNP’s long-standing pledge to dual the central part of A9 may not be realised until 2050, the construction industry has predicted in the most pessimistic estimate yet of when one of Scotland’s biggest ever building projects will be finished.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/a9-perth-inverness-dualling-could-take-till-2050-construction-industry-4032298

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. chdot
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    Kate Forbes MSP

    12 November 2022 at 18:00 •

    There is huge interest in improving Munlochy Junction, and I'm pleased that Transport Scotland have agreed to implement one of several suggestions that drivers and I made to make it safer.

    They have announced that they will ban right turns coming from the Munlochy side on to the north bound carriage of the A9. This follows work earlier in the year to install lighting at the junction. This means drivers won't be crossing four lanes to head north.

    Over the years there have been far too many accidents at the junction and as a local resident and frequent driver I am as keen as anybody to see further investment to make the junction safer.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php/?story_fbid=667873764898785&id=100050285028029

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. neddie
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    "a local resident and frequent driver"

    Hmmm. Friend of the "drivers" eh?

    I wonder how that squares with reducing climate damaging emissions and her newborn child that will bear witness to the effects of that...?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. chdot
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    The dualling of the A9 must be accelerated & A96 must commence without delay. There are too many accidents and near misses. We need these completed to release the full economic potential of the NE and Highlands and to connect communities. This is my #1 infrastructure priority.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ashtenregan/status/1627723019668815877

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. chdot
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    SNP transport minister Jenny Gilruth has tried to blame everyone but herself for the delay in fully dualling the A9

    Communities from Perth to Inverness want to see urgent action to finally make good on this promise – and as soon as possible.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/scottories/status/1628462144592257026

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Tulyar
    Member

    Totally unnecessary - as A84 was improved North of Stirling crashes migrated to point where drivers had to pay more attention, to the geometry &c of the old road

    With increasing use of rail for main freight deliveries to North & coming back the A9 is increasingly deserted especially overnight

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. chdot
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    THE underdog in the SNP leadership race has claimed to speak for the entire party and apologised for its failure to deliver a major road project.

    Ash Regan said she was sorry that the SNP had failed to dual the A9 and A96 by 2025, as it had repeatedly promised.

    “On behalf of the SNP I sincerely apologise,” she said, despite never being part of the Scottish Government’s transport portfolio far less SNP leader.

    Ms Regan was minister for community safety for four years until quitting last year over gender recognition reform.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23349206.regan-apologises-on-behalf-snp-road-failures/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. Murun Buchstansangur
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  18. chdot
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    “In particular, they must make good on their pledge to dual the A9 and A96, where delays have meant notorious accident blackspots are still not being tackled. It’s vital that action is taken.”

    An analysis of Police Scotland data by The Herald has found that, of the 20 road deaths so far this year on Scotland’s roads, eight have involved pedestrians and two have involved cyclists.

    Responding to the figures, Scotland’s national cycling organisation, Cycling Scotland, said one death or serious injury involving a cyclist is “one too many”.

    A Cycling Scotland spokesperson said: “It’s tragic and unacceptable that anyone is being killed or seriously injured cycling on our roads.

    “The chance of being seriously injured or killed cycling on Scottish roads is low but one death or serious injury is one too many. And in the majority of crashes with people cycling, the vehicle driver is wholly or partially at fault.

    “Cycling Scotland and partner organisations have been clear for many years that the top priority for safe cycling is to create more dedicated networks of cycle lanes, separate from vehicle traffic and pedestrians. Many other steps are also needed to create safer roads for all, including tackling speeding, failure to look and other dangerous driving behaviour. Dangerous driving puts everyone at risk and it cannot be accepted.

    “We work in partnership with the police on Operation Close Pass, to educate people about giving space to people on bikes while driving. Safer roads for cycling will be safer roads for everyone”.

    A spokesperson for Transport Scotland said: “The fact that road casualties have fallen in recent years, even with increasing car use over time, means very little to those who have sadly lost friends and loved ones in tragic circumstances.

    https://archive.fo/gL7Fy

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. chdot
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    This is pathetic really

    Kate Forbes warns A9 dualling could take until 2050 unless SNP members vote for her

    KATE Forbes has pledged to dual the A9 “as quickly as possible” if she becomes first minister.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23360808.kate-forbes-a9-dualling-take-2050-without-quango-reform/

    Or try https://archive.fo/mhVAF

    Apart from ‘environment’ & ‘climate change’ this is basically ‘local interest’.

    PLUS as the person currently responsible for the economy, she should know this is no longer a priority when money is tight.

    (Never mind the fact that the cameras have been a cheap & effective initiative.)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. chdot
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    I drove on the A9 for years, apart from the poor surface in places, the capacity is more than adequate. Some junction improvements, sure; but the plans for dualling at Dunkeld are grotesque. Stop and spend on sustainable alternatives.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/harts_cyclery/status/1630860359408943105

    100% agree. Junctions need improvements e.g. no turning right across a dual carriageway. Some signs at the end of each dualled section saying "8 miles to the next DC" might help reduce frustration too. I know the road pretty well so I know that any hold up is likely to be short.

    https://twitter.com/livia_edin/status/1631283032949653506

    Haven't driven it much recently but appears that the average speed cameras have been a game changer in terms of keeping the traffic flowing.

    https://twitter.com/nigel_pain/status/1631293099509968909

    Definitely. Plus raising the speed limit for trucks to 50. The only benefit I think dualling would have is for the occasions when the road is blocked due to an accident, on one of the bits where there are literally no other options that don't take you via Fort William.

    https://twitter.com/livia_edin/status/1631295977251389442

    But spending all that money for that would be ridiculous (I'm not endorsing that). I have been stuck a couple of times waiting for an accident to be cleared. But in the grand scheme of things that's not significant.

    https://twitter.com/livia_edin/status/1631296251445608450

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. chdot
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    The minister in charge of dualling the A9 is unable to make decisions about one stretch of it because of a potential conflict of interest caused by a family member.

    Jenny Gilruth makes decisions about the other nine single-carriageway sections of the Perth to Inverness road, but not the Pass of Birnam to Tay Crossing near Dunkeld.

    Her boss Net Zero Secretary Michael Matheson answers parliamentary questions and receives papers on that stretch instead.

    Ms Gilruth recused herself “because a family member chairs a local community group which has been involved in some campaigning on the A9 in the past”.

    The transport minister is “still responsible for decisions relating to other sections of the A9 project", provided they have no relationship to the Dunkeld section.

    https://archive.fo/wmZaC

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. neddie
    Member

    Erm, it doesn’t work like that!

    You don’t get to carve up the A9 into the “bits you like” and the “bits you don’t like” when recusing yourself. She clearly has a massive conflict of interest, and that applies to the entire A9

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. chdot
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    May or may not lead to rethinking by SG.

    The biggest road schemes will also be kicked into the long grass as transport budgets face swingeing real-terms cuts from 2025. The flagship Lower Thames Crossing, a £7bn tunnel and road scheme linking Essex and Kent, will be deferred for at least two years, into the next five-year phase of National Highways’ roadbuilding.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/09/parts-hs2-delayed-two-years-cut-soaring-costs-rail-project

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. chdot
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  25. acsimpson
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  26. chdot
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    At least the click through is honest…!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. chdot
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    The body said the sign would remain in place for safety reasons but a replacement would be produced.

    The Ballinluig junction has been described as an accident black spot by Transport Scotland in the past. But in recent years, it has undergone major road safety improvements.

    This includes the construction of two bridges alongside the A9 railway and the installation of a roundabout to eliminate the need for vehicles to cross the congested road.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23461310.perthshire-road-sign-spelling-error-leaves-locals-fuming/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. amir
    Member

    On the Audax last weekend, I had my first experience of the segment of bike path alongside the A9 from Dalnacardoch to Pitlochry. The surface is dire on places. Whilst the path being a former public road is very wide, parts have clearly had no maintenance since bring bypassed. My posterior suffered despite my new Cane Creek bouncy post

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. chdot
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    A9: Higher speed limit signs for lorries on Scotland road are slowing down some cars

    https://archive.is/Bim8V

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. chdot
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    A9 dualling: Further delay while new transport minister Fiona Hyslop considers Tomatin-Moy contract

    Mr Shackman admitted it was “highly unlikely” the same form of contract would be used again, which the Civil Engineering Contractors Association (CECA) told the committee had deterred firms from bidding because it involved them carrying all the risk for delays such as bad weather.

    However, he said it would not take “too much longer” to complete a new version, which could include such risks being shared between Transport Scotland and the winning company, as has has been the norm in England for decades.

    https://archive.is/HJ1sT

    Posted 1 year ago #

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